Re: [ronpaul-93] GMO insects introduced (without any risk assessment) to take over traditional insect colonies

From: Ben
Sent on: Monday, November 19, 2012 11:15 AM
Raw milk is the answer.

When people realize how they have been brainwashed about the benefits of pasteurization, by  corporate media, their school teachers, government health officials  - they will probably start to wonder what other things have been misrepresented to them.

Foreign occupations.

Banking / Bailouts.

The war on drugs

Etc.

Corporatism is where a small group benefits at everyone's expense.  Corn Syrup vs Cane Sugar in cokes, Restriction of Raw Milk Sales, are two prime expamples - not to mention TARP (the bailout program.)

Ben


From: Mike Benoit <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Monday, November 19,[masked]:04 AM
Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] GMO insects introduced (without any risk assessment) to take over traditional insect colonies

How easily they are led.
A Just and Enduring Government

If a nation were founded on this basis, it seems to me that order would prevail among the people, in thought as well as in deed. It seems to me that such a nation would have the most simple, easy to accept, economical, limited, nonoppressive, just, and enduring government imaginable ­ whatever its political form might be.

Under such an administration, everyone would understand that he possessed all the privileges as well as all the responsibilities of his existence. No one would have any argument with government, provided that his person was respected, his labor was free, and the fruits of his labor were protected against all unjust attack. When successful, we would not have to thank the state for our success. And, conversely, when unsuccessful, we would no more think of blaming the state for our misfortune than would the farmers blame the state because of hail or frost. The state would be felt only by the invaluable blessings of safety provided by this concept of government.

It can be further stated that, thanks to the non-intervention of the state in private affairs, our wants and their satisfactions would develop themselves in a logical manner. We would not see poor families seeking literary instruction before they have bread. We would not see cities populated at the expense of rural districts, nor rural districts at the expense of cities. We would not see the great displacements of capital, labor, and population that are caused by legislative decisions.

The sources of our existence are made uncertain and precarious by these state-created displacements. And, furthermore, these acts burden the government with increased responsibilities.


At 09:57 AM 11/19/2012, you wrote:
> Mike and Cameron, I will try to answer both of you.
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> Mike, I don't think you appreciate how dangerous these GMO insects will be as they infiltrate all crops.  Currently they are in Europe, but as they are introduced here those with home gardens will be faced with a dilemma.  You and others indicated over Prop 37 that the market would solve this, but insects will ignore this.  What I am trying to do is inform this group that "liberty" cannot solve all things.  It needs viable choices to have true liberty, but we don't have this in the GMO debate.  When Hitler tried to spread fascism around the world, action had to be taken.  I realize that WWII was a setup with the insiders backing both sides, but none-the-less, once this happened, the war had to be won.  Much like that, here we are with chemical companies running our food system with a new weapon, and CA missed the opportunity of helping to stop it.  You voted against this as a liberty stand, which is not going to work as the GMO companies have a head start with the government on their side.
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> Cameron, you are quite right, the courts and the FDA and the government are against us, so that's why I supported Prop 37 because it was written by a woman organic supporter.  It will come back better written, and if it isn't too late, it may pass the next time.  The 62 countries around the world that label GMO's are not drowning in lawsuits.  No system is perfect, but I read every label of anything I am considering buying, and seeing the salt and fat and sugar content is helpful.  The initiative process here is the nearest thing to a town meeting sort of government.  I generally vote against propositions unless I can see a clear cut benefit to any of them.  I understand your distrust of anything administered by the government and the courts.  But that is the system we have, and seeing the ridiculous legislation coming out of Sacramento over the years, initiatives have gotten around this sometimes.  We got rid of the inflated car registration fee a decade ago by the people voting on it, for instance.  From what I could tell during the last few months, more people were informed on GMO's than are usually informed about other initiatives, but there were other propositions on the ballot adding to the confusion, and with the $40 million plus spent by the chemical lobby, the supporters of Prop 37 were out spent.  But I know one thing for sure, inaction on this issue will only hurt all of us who want to eat real food.  All the liberty in the world will not change this if we haven't anything sound to choose from.  There will always be uninformed voters, and that is the weakness of our system.
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> Leigh
> It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men. Samuel Adams
> Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
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> From: Cameron Butler <[address removed]>
> To: [address removed]
> Sent: Sun, November 18,[masked]:48:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] GMO insects introduced (without any risk assessment) to take over traditional insect colonies
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> I honestly don't know what the answer is to this type of issue.  Taking it to the courts or the FDA or some other body does not work because of the powerful "influence" GMO multinationals have "gained", and I don't believe that mandatory labeling worked either.  I have had some frank conversations recently with commercially producing organic farmers, and from what I gather, the organic certifications and labeling are largely a fraud/racket.
> I do believe there is significant danger from GMO crops and insects -- GMO alfalfa is going to be hugely problematic as well in my opinion.
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> The challenge as I see it is that many of the "liberty" solutions require an informed populace (for enough citizens to apply requisite pressure to effect change), so the informed minority does not have the power to protect itself.  Meanwhile, the government solutions give the appearance of protecting while not necessarily doing so and having the extra bonus of oppressing a minority.  What to do??
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> -Cameron
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> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Mike Benoit <<mailto:[address removed]>[address removed]> wrote:
> Leigh, I am sure the controllers in our group will come up with something like mandatory labeling of the insects so we can know what mosquitos to get bit by.
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> For those who worship on the alter of government.
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> "Oh government my lord and master please give me security as I care not for rights of others as they may harm me if they have rights. If they have no rights they are more likely to not care about others rights so then we can lock them up because they were selfish individuals anyway having no regard for the rights of the collective."
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> MIke
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> At 10:09 AM 11/18/2012, you wrote:
> Continuing GMO saga is covered by G. Edward Griffin's introduction on GMO insects.
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> <<http://naturalsociety.com/genetically-modified-mosquitoes-released-millions-no-risk-assessment/>http://naturalsociety.com/genetically-modified-mosquitoes-released-millions-no-risk-assessment/>Millions of genetically modified mosquitoes will be set loose in fields of food crops to test their interaction with GMO plants. <<http://naturalsociety.com/genetically-modified-mosquitoes-released-millions-no-risk-assessment/>http://naturalsociety.com/genetically-modified-mosquitoes-released-millions-no-risk-assessment/>[Oxitec, the producer of GMO insects, is working closely with GMO and pesticide giant Syngenta in this project. These companies are not planning to monitor the effects on animal and human health and are not required to do so by governments. Consequences are unknown and irreversible.]
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> Natural Society 2012 Nov 10
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> What I want to know is what those of you in our group are going to do to stop these insects from co-mingling with your organic crops after they are introduced in our country?
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> <<http://naturalsociety.com/genetically-modified-mosquitoes-released-millions-no-risk-assessment/>http://naturalsociety.com/genetically-modified-mosquitoes-released-millions-no-risk-assessment/>http://naturalsociety.com/genetically-modified-mosquitoes-released-millions-no-risk-assessment/
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