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Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!!

From: Mike B.
Sent on: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:27 PM
The greatest problem in America is a system that 
thinks it can take from one that which is his to 
give to someone that which is not his. The 
endless wars, the wars on Americans rights, the 
hideous income tax, all the socialism and the 
bankster gangster are your greatest problems.

At 05:35 PM 1/29/2013, you wrote:
>Well this is a hot topic.  We all know "the 
>system" is broken.  But I will add only the economic part of the discussion
>If you believe the propaganda that the economy 
>has recovered, and you grant amnesty to 11-12 
>million workers, under the idea these people are 
>now working and will pay taxes, if then the 
>economy does retreat, as many reliable sources 
>believe, then the burden to our already over 
>burdened welfare/entitlement system could be catastrophic.
>Assuming we grant amnesty to the current 11 
>million, Washington will most likely will grant 
>it again in ~2018 to another 11 million.
>As you know Washington has no interest in 
>repairing our entitlement system.  In fact, we 
>have seen it grow more encompassing and expensive in the past 10 years.
>Probably the greatest problem in America today 
>is the broken labor market.  With the growth of 
>offshore labor, H1B and L1 Visas, which can be 
>issued now in unlimited quantities to 
>"non-profit" organizations (such organizations 
>which are off-shore recruiting firms that 
>operate at zero profit), these workers have 
>blasted the workforce apart in America, since 
>1996.  I know for a fact, that a major computer 
>company that I worked for has 10000+ employees 
>from India on visas living in the US 
>today.  These "workers" are paid a per diem 
>expense daily, not a wage - to hide the real 
>numbers (and taxes) from Uncle Sam.  This per 
>diem pay is much more than they would get back 
>home.  They in turn, shack up 5 or more to a 
>rental house to meet expenses.  Eventually these workers seek US domicile.
>Illegal immigration, amnesty, and temp Visa all 
>have similar impact on the labor markets...
>USID - Jobs Program takes tax dollars from US 
>workers, and trains people in Phillipines and 
>India English so they can take jobs in US 
>Company based call centers.  The program is 
>"marketed" as a kind of foriegn aid.  What is 
>really does is allow large customer service 
>based companies to put the cost of training on 
>the tax payer, and at the same time allow them 
>to layoff massive amounts of "expensive" US 
>labor. This opens the door to immigration to the 
>US (both legal and illegal).  This US Govt. 
>program has forced a large amount of US workers 
>from call centers and onto unemployment -> welfare.
>Now arguers for the FREE MARKET, might say this 
>is good for the markets, driving down the labor 
>costs of say computers and customer 
>service.  However we do NOT have FREE MARKETS, 
>as the USID example shows. Ultimately with 
>rising tax burdens, out of control Govt. 
>Spending, and paying benefits to a huge > 20% 
>out of work labor force, this will eventually crush the US economy.
>Integrating illegals into our system adds 
>enormous costs to the economy, that we simply 
>cannot afford.  It will accelerate the US 
>decline in lifestyle and individual net worth for the non - 1%.
>- JR
>Dr. Paul Craig Roberts on the broken labor market
>On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:16 AM, Mike Benoit wrote:
> > This is divisive. Most all the libertarians I 
> know support open borders only in a free 
> society not in a socialist tyranny as we have 
> now. The taking of what belongs to someone and 
> the giving it to someone else is the root of 
> our perverted system. End the Income Tax, The FED, and all welfare.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > At 09:56 AM 1/29/2013, you wrote:
> >
> >> Â
> >>
> >> Open national border supporters such as 
> libertarians should consider the negative 
> consequences if foreigners are allowed into the U.S.A. at free will.
> >>
> >> 1. Foreigners divide America with language 
> (verbal, written and body) and cultural 
> differences which leads to misunderstandings, 
> and violations of norms and laws. Birds of a 
> feather flock together. Many foreigners do not 
> want to assimilate to become Americanized. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
> >>
> >> 2. Hurts our culture with chaos and 
> disagreements caused by cultural differences, 
> alters our social norms (less defined) and lowers our standards.
> >>
> >> 3. Increased unemployment of natives (those born in the U.S.A.).
> >>
> >> 4. Cost taxpayers money for translators, 
> government publications in other languages, 
> ethnic and â•Ë›sensitivity trainingâ╡, 
> different treatment of minorities, handouts 
> (welfare, food stamps,∑), miinority 
> departments at public schools, bilingual education∑.<
> >>
> >> 5. Many foreigners bring their collectivist 
> ideas to America and expect Americans to adopt these unconstitutional ideas.
> >>
> >> Â
> >>
> >> 6. Some foreigners come to America to escape 
> retribution for a crime or other wrong.
> >>
> >> 7. Some foreigners come to America to commit 
> crimes to profit, get even for bad foreign 
> policy (â•Ë›terrorismâ•Ë‡­¢Ë‡) or â•Ë›hey, 
> hey, ho, ho, Western cultureâ•â€¢Ë™s got to 
> goâ•Ë‡. Foreigners commit the most crimes.
> >>
> >> 8. Open borders would violate current 
> national law and our Constitution article IV, 
> section 4, and encourage the invasion as it did after the amnesty of 1986.
> >>
> >> 9. Politicians who want amnesty do so for 
> political reasons (get more votes) only.
> >>
> >> These points indicate that even legal 
> immigration should be stopped. Close the borders (except for tourists)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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