Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!!

From: Mike B.
Sent on: Saturday, February 2, 2013 1:53 PM
The condition of being a worker is never illegal. 
If one does harm then they are guilty of that 
offensive. You may as well call them an illegal human then?

At 01:48 PM 2/2/2013, you wrote:
>Mike - Even if the worker does intentional harm 
>to another worker for personal gain.  Blanket statements are dangerous.
>
>JR
>
>
>On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Mike Benoit wrote:
>
> > Government welfare ought to always be 
> illegal, workers should never be illegal.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > At 11:29 AM 2/2/2013, you wrote:
> >> A drug user doesn't steal my money when he takes a job.
> >>
> >> Just because I'm already being robbed 
> doesn't mean I should allow illegals to add to the problem.
> >>
> >> Making the use of E-Verify mandatory doesn't 
> punish employers. It provides them with an easy 
> way to make sure that they are not doing what 
> is already illegal - hiring illegals workers.
> >>
> >>
> >> > To: [address removed]
> >> > From: [address removed]
> >> > Subject: RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!!
> >> > Date: Fri, 1 Feb[masked]:44:47 -0500
> >> >
> >> > I told you not to use the collective "we" I was
> >> > not invaded so please don't use the term "we" when addressing me.
> >> >
> >> > It appears you don't mind white, brown, black and
> >> > asian Americans stealing your money but that the
> >> > only problem is those who are stealing it are not
> >> > part of the tribe. That is how you and I 
> are different I condemn all who steal.
> >> >
> >> > For you to make and win your argument you must
> >> > include those who steal with those who earn that
> >> > is you convolute them together under your collective term "we"
> >> >
> >> > Since some steal your money that justifies you
> >> > punishing employers who hire those who don't steal.
> >> >
> >> > It is interesting that you had the Freudian slip
> >> > "to protest the interest of its citizens"
> >> >
> >> > A drug users stole my property so we have a right
> >> > to make all employers test people for drugs and
> >> > to make those employers turn those in to 
> the law who test positive right Ken?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > At 05:18 PM 2/1/2013, you wrote:
> >> > >I will respond to your metaphor by saying that I
> >> > >have the right (along with everyone else) to use
> >> > >a gun to protect what is mine.
> >> > >
> >> > >When we are invaded by millions of people who
> >> > >enter our country illegally thereby stealing my
> >> > >money through their use of social services and
> >> > >by driving down wages, the government (acting as
> >> > >my surrogate) is perfectly justified in using
> >> > >force to prohibit businesses from hiring these
> >> > >individuals. In fact, I would argue that the
> >> > >government has an obligation to do this to
> >> > >protest the interests of its citizens.
> >> > >
> >> > >Ken-
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > To: [address removed]
> >> > > > From: [address removed]
> >> > > > Subject: RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!!
> >> > > > Date: Fri, 1 Feb[masked]:31:55 -0500
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Ken, that offer below was not from me but from
> >> > > > Bastiat on Economic Sophisms. Immigration of
> >> > > > course should be limited to those who have a
> >> > > > sponsor or to those who have been invited by
> >> > > > someone to come work or to visit or even to live
> >> > > > as long as they don't violate the rights of
> >> > > others then they should be welcome.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Stating that " All you do is critize the ideas of
> >> > > > others" must mean that I am being a poor teacher
> >> > > > to you and for that I appologize.
> >> > > > Freedom does not need defending but tyranny
> >> > > > certainly does. Tell me how it is that you think
> >> > > > you can dictate to business small or large who
> >> > > > they hire without using the collective "we". Do
> >> > > > you think you have a right to use a 
> gun to make businesses do your bidding?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Mike
> >> > > >
> >> > > > At 03:56 PM 2/1/2013, you wrote:
> >> > > > >Mike, you continue to offer what YOU think are
> >> > > > >solutions to the problem of illegal immigration
> >> > > > >or, alternatively, to say why you want open
> >> > > > >boarders. All you do is critize the ideas of
> >> > > > >others without offering any of your own. It is
> >> > > > >not enough to say you believe in liberty. If you
> >> > > > >don't think we should limit immigration, then
> >> > > > >come out and say so instead of simply saying
> >> > > > >that you believe in liberty and that you are
> >> > > > >trying to "instill a principle into the minds
> >> > > > >of" others. Take a positio and defend it.
> >> > > > >Delphic orations are a waste of time.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > To: [address removed]
> >> > > > > > From: [address removed]
> >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!!
> >> > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Feb[masked]:12:35 -0500
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > My design in this little volume is to refute some of the
> >> > > > > > arguments that are urged against the Freedom of
> >> > > > > > Trade.
> >> > > > > > I do not propose to engage in a contest with the protectionists;
> >> > > > > > but rather to instill a principle into the minds of those who
> >> > > > > > hesitate because they sincerely doubt.
> >> > > > > > I am not one of those who say that Protection is founded on
> >> > > > > > men’s intinterests. I 
> am of the he opinion rather that it is founded oon
> >> > > > > > errors, or, if you will, upon incomplete truths. Too many people
> >> > > > > > fear liberty to permit us to 
> conclude that their apprehensions are
> >> > > > > > not sincerely felt.
> >> > > > > > It is perhaps aiming too high, but my wish is, I confess, that
> >> > > > > > this little work should become, as it were, the Manual of those
> >> > > > > > whose business it is to pronounce between the two principles.
> >> > > > > > Where men have not been long accustomed and familiarized to
> >> > > > > > the doctrine of liberty, the 
> fallacies of protection, in one shape or
> >> > > > > > another, are constantly coming 
> back upon them. In order to disabuse
> >> > > > > > them of such errors when they recur, a long
> >> > > > > > process of analysis becomes necessary; and
> >> > > > > everyone has not the time required
> >> > > > > > for such a process—llegislators­ less thaan others. Thiis is my
> >> > > > > > reason for endeavoring to present 
> the analysis and its results cut
> >> > > > > > and dried.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > At 02:54 PM 2/1/2013, you wrote:
> >> > > > > > >Leight, you can't have more liberty screaming for more control.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >Mike
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >At 02:43 PM 2/1/2013, you wrote:
> >> > > > > > >>Dave, you have such a delicate way of putting
> >> > > > > > >>what I've been trying to explain. By the way,
> >> > > > > > >>it was in the local news this week that the San
> >> > > > > > >>Diego Sheriff's Dept is looking for 300
> >> > > > > > >>recruits. Some they hire will be seasoned
> >> > > > > > >>personnel from other police and sheriff's
> >> > > > > > >>depts, but some will be brand new recruits. If
> >> > > > > > >>one is worried about our sheriff's dept,
> >> > > > > > >>consider applying and maybe you'll get hired
> >> > > > > > >>and can use it to spread liberty there. All
> >> > > > > > >>that's needed sometimes is one "bad apple" in a
> >> > > > > > >>group to make all the difference.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Libertariani­sm is great in theory, and I try to
> >> > > > > > >>advance liberty whenever and wherever I
> >> > > > > > >>can. But the reality of life is that our
> >> > > > > > >>republic is pretty much over and I hope the
> >> > > > > > >>spread of liberty that Mike mentions will win
> >> > > > > > >>in the end. But this country is worse off than
> >> > > > > > >>the British 13 colonies were back in 1776. A
> >> > > > > > >>revolution back then was against great odds,
> >> > > > > > >>but not as great as the odds are
> >> > > > > > >>today. Ignoring the evil in GMO's and
> >> > > > > > >>fluoridation­ and chemtrails and other
> >> > > > > > >>government enabling evils and shouting LIBERTY
> >> > > > > > >>all the time will not win against the IRS, the
> >> > > > > > >>Fed, the banks, the dept of education, illegal
> >> > > > > > >>immigration,­ and all the other liberty crushing
> >> > > > > > >>entities out there. The Founders fought for
> >> > > > > > >>liberty by pledging their lives, their
> >> > > > > > >>property, and their sacred honor. Capitulating
> >> > > > > > >>to illegal immigration because it gives
> >> > > > > > >>employers the right to hire the cheapest labor
> >> > > > > > >>isn't honorable because it was set up by the
> >> > > > > > >>controllers whose hands some in this group are
> >> > > > > > >>playing into. How much of a solution is it to
> >> > > > > > >>eat our food from our own gardens that are
> >> > > > > > >>rained down on by chemtrails (unless you have a
> >> > > > > > >>hothouse) and water those plants with
> >> > > > > > >>fluoridated water? So all of us are being
> >> > > > > > >>poisoned no matter how we try to avoid it.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>We all need to find common ground amid our
> >> > > > > > >>differences.­ I campaigned for Mike and for Dr.
> >> > > > > > >>Paul, and it wasn't a waste of time even if
> >> > > > > > >>they both didn't win. For anyone reading this,
> >> > > > > > >>do you honestly believe 20-30 million illegal
> >> > > > > > >>immigrants really don't have an impact on this
> >> > > > > > >>country? Unemployment figures released this
> >> > > > > > >>week show unemployment is up. These aren't
> >> > > > > > >>those that were unemployed for several years
> >> > > > > > >>because those people have quit looking for
> >> > > > > > >>jobs. These recent figures are newly
> >> > > > > > >>unemployed workers. The cause isn't just
> >> > > > > > >>illegal immigrants, but also legal contract
> >> > > > > > >>workers. When foreign workers are employed in
> >> > > > > > >>this country and domestic 
> workers aren't, there is something amiss.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Leigh
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>From: Dave <[address removed]>
> >> > > > > > >>To: [address removed]
> >> > > > > > >>Sent: Fri, February 1,[masked]:31:30 AM
> >> > > > > > >>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!!
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>9. America is already a shit hole. And soon to
> >> > > > > > >>be taken over by "third country nationals" who
> >> > > > > > >>will bring even more socialism, fascism, &
> >> > > > > > >>communism all bought and paid for by the gloablists,
> >> > > > > > >>CFR, through corp. media, lobbyists, and
> >> > > > > > >>K-street. The enforcement mechinisms will be
> >> > > > > > >>the Judges appointed by bought out politicans,
> >> > > > > > >>the IRS, Federal Reserve. The storm
> >> > > troopers to enforce it all will be
> >> > > > > > >>the military, homeland secuirty 
> and the local "peace officers".
> >> > > > > > >>-----Origina­l Message-----
> >> > > > > > >>From: Ken Costanzo <[address removed]>
> >> > > > > > >>To: ronpaul-93 <[address removed]>
> >> > > > > > >>Sent: Thu, Jan 31,[masked]:35 pm
> >> > > > > > >>Subject: RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!!
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>You forgot Number 8: Watch as America
> >> > > turns into a third world shit hole.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>----------
> >> > > > > > >>From: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >> > > > > > >>To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >> > > > > > >>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!!
> >> > > > > > >>Date: Thu, 31 Jan[masked]:57:02 -0500
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>I may have the solution to immigration in a nutshell:
> >> > > > > > >> * Open the borders
> >> > > > > > >> * stop ALL welfare for everyone
> >> > > > > > >> * get rid of DOI (Department of Immigration)
> >> > > > > > >> * give amnesty to all non-papered (please) pre Americans
> >> > > > > > >> * get the government out of
> >> > > manipulating the (Presently not free) market
> >> > > > > > >> * put the government back into 
> its restricted Constitutional role
> >> > > > > > >> * promote learning what freedom ACTUALLY is
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>There is no legitimacy in expecting liberty for
> >> > > > > > >>yourself while striping it from others.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Ken Costanzo wrote:
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>In one case where illegals were removed en mass
> >> > > > > > >>from employment at a meat packing plant in
> >> > > > > > >>Arkansas, that employer had to pay wages 50-75%
> >> > > > > > >>higher in order to replace them with legal
> >> > > > > > >>workers. Were it not for the large pool of
> >> > > > > > >>unskilled labor provided by illegals, minimum
> >> > > > > > >>wage jobs would pay much higher wages. I think
> >> > > > > > >>this would be a good thing. We might have to
> >> > > > > > >>pay 15 cents more for hamberger at McDonalds,
> >> > > > > > >>but we would save a lot more money on the
> >> > > > > > >>social services used by llegals. For example,
> >> > > > > > >>he national average cost of K - 12
> >> > > > > education is $10,000 per year per student.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>----------
> >> > > > > > >>From: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >> > > > > > >>To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >> > > > > > >>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!!
> >> > > > > > >>Date: Thu, 31 Jan[masked]:59:41 -0500
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>You keep saying we had a need for unskilled
> >> > > > > > >>immigrant laborers in the past but no longer
> >> > > > > > >>do. The fact that "native" Americans are NOT
> >> > > > > > >>lining up to compete for those low paying
> >> > > > > > >>unskilled jobs says otherwise. "these millions
> >> > > > > > >>who are here illegally, are in many other jobs"
> >> > > > > > >>- sure they are, but they also work in
> >> > > > > > >>agriculture (and in many other unskilled low
> >> > > > > > >>paying jobs that Americans aren't competing for).
> >> > > > > > >>Alabama passed a tough law on
> >> > > > > > >>immigration/­undocumented workers and many of
> >> > > > > > >>the illegals fled the state. The result? A
> >> > > > > labor shortage in the ag sector.
> >> > > > > > >>Fact: Most americans don't want to work really
> >> > > > > > >>hard for low wages. The farmers can only pay
> >> > > > > > >>low wages and remain 
> competitive. It is unskilled labor = low wages.
> >> > > > > > >>The guest worker programs that exist do not fill this need.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>In the forum of this group, do you really think
> >> > > > > > >>that if I held the position of being a no
> >> > > > > > >>borders libertarian that I would be afraid to
> >> > > > > > >>own that? Get real. You can say you don't
> >> > > > > > >>believe me when I describe my own
> >> > > position, but thats pretty childish.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>The problem is that we have grown so accustomed
> >> > > > > > >>to arguments getting very polarized, that when
> >> > > > > > >>someone adopts arguments not aligning with
> >> > > > > > >>either of the poles, it is just baffling to most people.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Fact: You do not have to be scared of mexicans
> >> > > > > > >>stealing our jobs to be opposed to illegal immigration.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ken Costanzo
> >> > > > > > >><<mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>----------
> >> > > > > > >>From: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >> > > > > > >>To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >> > > > > > >>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!!
> >> > > > > > >>Date: Wed, 30 Jan[masked]:29:06 -0500
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Throughout the history of this country it is a
> >> > > > > > >>recurring theme that we have brought in (or
> >> > > > > > >>allowed in) foreign workers to cheaply do
> >> > > > > > >>certain kinds of labor. Irish, Chinese,
> >> > > > > > >>Mexican. Why was it somehow ok to let Irish
> >> > > > > > >>and Chinese work for meager wages to build
> >> > > > > > >>American infrastructure, but it is anathema to
> >> > > > > > >>have Mexican migrant workers pick strawberries
> >> > > > > > >>so that you can buy a carton of 
> strawberries for $3 instead of $8?
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>We already have a guest worker program for
> >> > > > > > >>migrant farm workers. If all the illegals here
> >> > > > > > >>were picking strawberries, I probably wouldn't
> >> > > > > > >>have a problem with it. In fact, these millions
> >> > > > > > >>who are here illegally, are in many other jobs.
> >> > > > > > >>Many of these jobs would be paying twice as
> >> > > > > > >>much without this large pool of 
> unskilled workers to hire from.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>We allowed in large numbers of unskilled
> >> > > > > > >>immigrants to build the American infrastructure
> >> > > > > > >>because we needed large numbers of unskilled
> >> > > > > > >>workers to do this. We no longer need
> >> > > large numbers of unskilled workers.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>I think a lot of Americans who have been
> >> > > > > > >>whipped into a frenzy by anti-foreigner
> >> > > > > > >>rhetoric would be caught off guard when the
> >> > > > > > >>prices of all the produce they enjoy goes
> >> > > > > > >>through the roof if they got their way and
> >> > > > > > >>displaced the immigrant workers who toil in the
> >> > > > > > >>fields to pick the strawberries they enjoy.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>This coming from an individual who opposes
> >> > > > > > >>amnesty programs. I am not a no borders
> >> > > > > > >>libertarian.­ I don't believe you. I consider
> >> > > > > > >>myself a constitutional conservative. I just
> >> > > > > > >>think some of these things with the immigration
> >> > > > > > >>issue are not being well thought through.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>It is one thing to say that you want to keep
> >> > > > > > >>undesirable foreigners out but you want
> >> > > > > > >>government to still let us freely travel out of
> >> > > > > > >>the country if and when we choose. Once you
> >> > > > > > >>approve of government putting in place
> >> > > > > > >>infrastructu­re that would allow them to
> >> > > > > > >>restrict movement, do you really trust them not
> >> > > > > > >>to ever restrict it? When will we learn from history?
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Mandatory E-Verify could not restrict Americans
> >> > > > > > >>from traveling outside the country.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Ken-
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Mike Benoit
> >> > > > > > >><<mail­to:[address removed]>mblibe
> >> > > > > [address removed]> wrote:
> >> > > > > > >>I am afraid this is somewhat convoluted.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>First off in the socialist world we live in if
> >> > > > > > >>it takes 25 dollars an hour to get someone to
> >> > > > > > >>pick strawberries that is not a free market as
> >> > > > > > >>the socialism has already destroyed the free
> >> > > > > > >>market. In this system children are prohibited
> >> > > > > > >>from working so that further perverts the free market.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Manipulating­ the market is not a free market.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Mike
> >> > > > > > >>At 04:23 PM 1/29/2013, you wrote:
> >> > > > > > >>Re: "There aren't any jobs Americans would
> >> > > > > > >>refuse to do if then job paid enough."
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>So just pay people $25/hr to pick strawberries
> >> > > > > > >>and the problem is solved, right? In other
> >> > > > > > >>words, you don't believe in free market capitalism.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>If a wage of $25/hr. is what it takes to get
> >> > > > > > >>someone to do the job, this IS free market
> >> > > > > > >>capitalism. Bringing in illegal foreign labor
> >> > > > > > >>to do the job cheaper, is a subversion of the
> >> > > > > > >>free market. It is a process by which some
> >> > > > > > >>employers benefit from the ability to pay wages
> >> > > > > > >>that are lower than what they 
> would have to pay to legal workers.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>One of the reasons to limit immigration is to
> >> > > > > > >>ensure that the free markey is not distorted
> >> > > > > > >>with an over supply of unskilled labor or even
> >> > > > > > >>skilled labor in any given occupation. ANY
> >> > > > > > >>country's immigration policy is based on its
> >> > > > > > >>national self interest, NOT the interest of
> >> > > > > > >>those seeking to immigrate. The fact that
> >> > > > > > >>immigrants, legal or illegal, will work cheaper
> >> > > > > > >>than citizens is only beneficial to our country
> >> > > > > > >>when there is a shortage of unskilled
> >> > > labor. We have no such shortage.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>----------
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>From: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >> > > > > > >>To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!!
> >> > > > > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Jan[masked]:54:23 -0500
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Hi Leigh,
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Just to be clear, I was not making an argument
> >> > > > > > >>in favor of amnesty. I just do not favor
> >> > > > > > >>pushing for crackdown on immigrants based on
> >> > > > > > >>fear mongering, but instead 
> evaluating more consistent arguments.
> >> > > > > > >>I was also not disputing that 6 and 7 happen,
> >> > > > > > >>but dismissing them because I consider it a non
> >> > > > > > >>sequitur. It is suggesting that immigrants are
> >> > > > > > >>bad because some immigrants do bad
> >> > > > > > >>things. That is akin to suggesting that gun
> >> > > > > > >>owners are dangerous extremists because some
> >> > > > > > >>gun owners are militant white supremacists. A non sequitur.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>I am opposed to illegal 
> immigration. I am NOT in favor of amnesty.
> >> > > > > > >>At the same time, I oppose the demonization of
> >> > > > > > >>foreigners with logical fallacies.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Ken,
> >> > > > > > >>You say, "There aren't any jobs Americans would
> >> > > > > > >>refuse to do if then job paid enough."
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>So just pay people $25/hr to pick strawberries
> >> > > > > > >>and the problem is solved, right? In other
> >> > > > > > >>words, you don't believe in free market capitalism.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>I am opposed to illegal immigration and NOT in
> >> > > > > > >>favor of amnesty, but migrant workers are
> >> > > > > > >>willing to work hard in menial tasks for a
> >> > > > > > >>modest wage, and for the most part "native" Americans are NOT.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>-Cameron
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Leigh Skinner
> >> > > > > > >><<mail­to:[address removed]><mail­to: 
> eleighs>> > > @att.net>[address­ removed]> wrote:
> >> > > > > > >>Cameron,
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>While most of your points are good, with
> >> > > > > > >>government in the mix illegal immigration is
> >> > > > > > >>doing more harm than good. Do you really think
> >> > > > > > >>if government programs are at fault that
> >> > > > > > >>government amnesty will make it 
> better, like it didn't do in 1986?
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>And 6&7 does happen.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Leigh
> >> > > > > > >>It does not take a majority to prevail, but
> >> > > > > > >>rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on
> >> > > > > > >>setting brushfires of freedom in 
> the minds of men. Samuel Adams
> >> > > > > > >>Government is the great fiction through which
> >> > > > > > >>everybody endeavors to live at the expense
> >> > > > > of everybody else. Frederic Bastiat
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>From: Cameron Butler
> >> > > > > > >><<mail­to:[address removed]><mai 
> lto:butler.>> > > > > [address removed]>[address­ removed]>
> >> > > > > > >>To:
> >> > > > > > >><mailto:[­address removed]><ma 
> ilto:ronpau>> > > > > [address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Sent: Tue, January 29,[masked]:29:19 AM
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!!
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Point #1 and #2-- "foreigners divide
> >> > > > > > >>America"....­ criticized for their different
> >> > > > > > >>body language... Lest we forget, all of these
> >> > > > > > >>same concerns were levied at Irish and European
> >> > > > > > >>Catholics and they all assimilated ok. The
> >> > > > > > >>issue is not the immigrants, its government programs.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Point #3-- "increased unemployment of
> >> > > > > > >>natives". I believe if you review the
> >> > > > > > >>statistics you will see that illegal
> >> > > > > > >>immigration slowed dramatically during the
> >> > > > > > >>periods of time when unemployment increased for
> >> > > > > > >>natives. Its economic issues, not blaming
> >> > > > > > >>foreigners that need to be addressed. And no
> >> > > > > > >>natives are lining up for jobs picking the
> >> > > > > > >>fields that migrant workers fill. Yes, I know
> >> > > > > > >>someone can provide an anecdotal example of
> >> > > > > > >>work they wanted to do that a "mexican" was
> >> > > > > > >>doing for less, but that is 
> anecdotal, and the free market at work.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Point #4-- "cost taxpayers money for..." - all
> >> > > > > > >>of that garbage comes not from the immigrants,
> >> > > > > > >>but from the excesses of big government. I
> >> > > > > > >>don't blame immigrants for the government
> >> > > > > > >>choosing to do all of those things, though
> >> > > > > they sure are a handy scapegoat!
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Point #5-- "foreigners bring their collectivist
> >> > > > > > >>ideas"... some, yes. Some also love freedom
> >> > > > > > >>and appreciate the ideals of our founding more
> >> > > > > > >>than many of the "natives" who have been lulled
> >> > > > > > >>to sleep by the MSM over generations of conditioning...
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Points #6 and #7-- Oh, come on...
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Point #9-- No argument from me there...
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:56 AM, i4freedom
> >> > > > > > >><<mail­to:[address removed]><mail­to:i 
> val [address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>Open national border supporters such as
> >> > > > > > >>libertarians­ should consider the negative
> >> > > > > > >>consequences­ if foreigners are 
> allowed into the U.S.A. at free will.
> >> > > > > > >>1. Foreigners divide America with language
> >> > > > > > >>(verbal, written and body) and cultural
> >> > > > > > >>differences which leads to misunderstandings,
> >> > > > > > >>and violations of norms and laws. Birds of a
> >> > > > > > >>feather flock together. Many foreigners do not
> >> > > > > > >>want to assimilate to become Americanized.
> >> > > > > When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
> >> > > > > > >>2. Hurts our culture with chaos and
> >> > > > > > >>disagreement­s caused by cultural differences,
> >> > > > > > >>alters our social norms (less 
> defined) and lowers our standards.
> >> > > > > > >>3. Increased unemployment of 
> natives (those born in the U.S.A.).
> >> > > > > > >>4. Cost taxpayers money for translators,
> >> > > > > > >>government publications in other languages,
> >> > > > > > >>ethnic and 
> ÃÆ⢀™ÃƒÆ­’‚¢€€šÃ‚¢€œ­s“sensitivi­tyitivity 
> trainingingÃningíƒÆ’ƒÆâ€â‚¬™Ãƒ­Æ’ƒÆ’¢â‚¬â„­¢ÃƒÆ’‚¢€ ,
>¬ ,
> >> > > > > > >>gt;diffferen­t treatment of minorities, hannddouts
> >> > > > > > >>(welfare, food stamps,…), minorrity departmennts
> >> > > > > > at public schhools, bilingual 
> education….> > > > >>> >> > >>5. Many foreigners bring their collectivist
> >> > > > > > >>ideas to America and expect Americans to
> >> > > > > adopt these unconstitutional ideas.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>6. Some foreigners come to America to escape
> >> > > > > > >>retribution for a crime or other wrong.
> >> > > > > > >>7. Some foreigners come to America to commit
> >> > > > > > >>crimes to profit, get even for bad foreign
> >> > > > > > >>policy
> >> > > 
> (ÃÆ’‚¬â­„¢ÃƒÆ’‚¢€œtere­rrorismrorismÃÆ⭀™Ãƒ†Ã¢€Ãƒ†Ãƒâ€ 
> ’¢Ú킢¢€ ) or 
> ÃÃ †
> ’ƒÂÃ⭀šÃƒ‚¢ÃƒÃ­†Ã¢â’Ã šÃ­ƒ‚Ú¢€Ãƒ…‚킬ÅâÅ“hey­, 
> hey,
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> >> > > > > >>ho, ho, Western crn 
> cultureÃÆí¢€™ÃƒÆ’Į€™Ãƒâ­€ 
> ’¢‚í‚¢€â‚¬™s got to 
> goÒÆ‭™ÃƒÆ’‚‒‚’타™ÃƒÆ’‚€šÃƒâ€š­Ã‚¢€ .
> >> > > > > > > >Fo;Foreigners commicommit the mosst crimes.
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>8. Open borders would violate current national
> >> > > > > > >>law and our Constitution article IV, section 4,
> >> > > > > > >>and encourage the invasion as it 
> did after the amnesty of 1986.
> >> > > > > > >>9. Politicians who want amnesty do so for
> >> > > > > > >>political reasons (get more votes) only.
> >> > > > > > >>These points indicate that even legal
> >> > > > > > >>immigration should be stopped. Close
> >> > > the borders (except for tourists)
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > >>
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