Re: [ronpaul-93] Monsanto / Big Food / Corporatism / Free Market / 2 Short Videos

From: Mike B.
Sent on: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:41 PM
Cameron, I am not on either side of the debate 
about whether GMO's are good or bad. I am on the 
side of freedom and individual responsibility. If 
you hate GMO don't buy it but don't violate 
people who don't care. This might help some who 
claim to care but really only want to force 
others to do their due dillegence for them.


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Genetically Modified Organisms? The Truth behind GMOs




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A few weeks ago I was at my local grocery store 
browsing through the cracker aisle, and I noticed 
the words non GMO Project in white bold letters 
on some of the items. About a week after that 
shopping trip, I saw that one of my friends 
posted a photo of her granola bar with the hash 
tag #nongmo on instagram. Not too long after, I 
was making a sandwich for lunch and when I took 
the bread out of the package, I noticed that my 
mother had bought bread with the non GMO seal. I 
wasn’t sure what non GMO stood for, but I knew 
one thing: non GMO was starting to pop up 
everywhere and it was getting my attention.

When I went on the 
<http://www.nongmo...­ GMO website, I 
was shocked at what I read. GMO stands for 
“genetically modified organisms.” This is 
achieved when plants and animals are created 
through gene splicing techniques, otherwise known 
as genetic engineering. Basically, scientists 
combine DNA from different types of species, 
which is a very unnatural process and cannot happen in nature.


The frightening part of all of this is that over 
80% of our foods that we eat contain GMOs. This 
means that GMO’s are present in our breakfast, 
lunch and dinner. The most common GMOs are 
ingredients like soy, cotton, canola and corn. 
Although you may not eat these products directly, 
chances are that the food you eat on a daily 
basis contains either one or more of these ingredients.

The non GMO Project is a nonprofit organization 
that was formed to educate the consumers, 
preserve the non-GMO food supply, and to offer 
the public non-GMO foods. This group continues to 
be the only organization that has an extensive 
verification process for GMO free foods and 
requires ongoing testing of all ingredients being 
grown in GMO form. So when you see the non-GMO 
Project seal, you are guaranteed that there are no GMOs in that product.



At 05:16 PM 8/6/2013, you wrote:
>Andrea,
>I understand what you are trying to say, and I 
>agree with the basic premise that "we have to be 
>careful what laws are used for"... but comparing 
>mandatory GMO labeling to gun control is a 
>pretty tough analogy. Â One is a tool that can 
>be used for evil or used for protection and 
>preservation of liberty, while the other is 
>arguably a poison to every single person who 
>ingests it. Â Should liberty allow for 
>individuals to choose to poison themselves? Â 
>Absolutely. Â The debate here (as far as I can 
>gather) is what means can individuals use to 
>collectively petition to protect themselves 
>against the entanglement of corporations and 
>government that is allowing those poisons to 
>permeate much of the food supply, and whether 
>using the force and power of government itself 
>is not only morally and ethically defensible, but also a prudent strategy.
>In Liberty,
>Cameron
>
>
>On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Andrea Bacon 
><<mailto:[­address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
>I don't think that's what Mike is trying to say. 
>what I'm gathering from your guys' debate is 
>that we have to be careful what laws are used 
>for. because today we have misguided laws with 
>ill intent towards civilians. Â Example : IF a 
>gun ban law passes (& they're trying real hard) 
>, how does this protect law abiding peeps from 
>law breaking peeps?? It does not! It protects 
>HLS from law abiding peeps, that's it
>
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>
>Leigh Skinner <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
>
> >Mike,
> >
> >
> >No, we want to hit a lic' against government 
> tyranny by mitigating their form of mandatory 
> labeling by making it more accurate until we 
> can do away with the practice all together. Â 
> You want to let the chemical companies expand 
> their influence even more. Â Rarely is it right 
> to use the law to control others, but that 
> doesn't mean it should never be done. Â That is 
> what a war is, stopping the enemy from 
> advancing. Â We are in a eugenics war and right 
> now the government is winning. Â You want to 
> just stand by the sidelines and let them win 
> this particular conflict. Â As one who went up 
> against the IRS and lost, have lost you will to 
> outwit the government thugs? Â I pick my 
> battles, and this is mine, as it is winnable.
> >
> >Â
> >
> >Leigh
> >
> >In a time of universal deceit, telling the 
> truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
> >
> >
> >Truth is treason in the empire of lies. Ron Paul
> >
> >
> >From: Mike Benoit 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]>
> >To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >Sent: Saturday, August 3,[masked]:23 PM
> >Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Monsanto / Big Food 
> / Corporatism / Free Market / 2 Short Videos
> >
> >
> >So the answer is less government not more and 
> it is naive at best to think you will win 
> control of a giant government. You want to be in charge of the abuse?
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >At 07:37 AM 8/3/2013, you wrote:
> >> Ron Paul is against "corporatism." That is 
> where large corporations control government.
> >>
> >> Would you rather have just a few big farms, 
> or a 100,000 small ones?  We know what Monsanto wants.
> >>
> >> Monsanto is out to destroy it's competition, 
> using influence in government as an 
> advantage.  If a small farmer has his field 
> polluted with genetically modified organisms, 
> against his wishes - guess what? - he is held 
> civilly liable for "patent infringement."Â  And 
> our court system has sided with Monsanto.  What is wrong with that picture?
> >>
> >> Small Farmers are harassed and persecuted by 
> regulatory agencies much to the glee of "Big 
> Food."Â  Big corporations don't want 
> competition from local, independent producers 
> with a better product.  They address these 
> concerns by passing regulations that hinder the 
> small independent producer, and they use the 
> media to spread scary ideas (We need GMO's to 
> feed the world.  Labeling will increase food 
> costs tremendously.  Raw Milk is dangerous.  etc.)
> >>
> >> The thing we should be scared about is 
> GMOs.  See short portion of the Documentary "Genetic Roulette" below.
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> <<https://www.youtub...­
> >>
> >> If Monsanto is for it, I am against it - 
> Joel Salantin - Successful Libertarian Organic Farmer.
> >>
> >> 
> <<https://www.youtub...­
> >>
> >> See his many videos on sustainable farming 
> on youtube.  He has published many books on 
> the subject.  He has testified before congress 
> and his message seems to ring true.
> >>
> >> 
> <<http://wonkistan....­
> >>
> >> Ben
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Mike Benoit 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]>
> >> To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >> Sent: Friday, August 2,[masked]:04 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Monsanto Virtually 
> Gives Up on Growing GMO Crops in Europe
> >>
> >> So you want GMOs banned under the name of safety. If someone wants to
> >> sell me a product and I want to buy it then it is none of your
> >> business and you have no right to mandate that they label their product.
> >>
> >> You make the same argument the gun grabbers make. "we only want
> >> reasonable legislation" yet when something is banned they cheer from
> >> the roof top.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 01:42 PM 8/2/2013, you wrote:
> >> >Mike,
> >> >
> >> >You fought against Prop 37 to label GMO's, which would have put us
> >> >in the position of Monsanto leaving this country eventually like
> >> >they did recently in Europe.  Then the Libertarian answer to
> >> >defeating GMO's was to lead a protest against them in Balboa Park a
> >> >month or two after the prop was defeated.  How did that go, by the
> >> >way?  Was Monsanto quaking in their shoes?
> >> >
> >> >Over 600 million people in Europe signed a petition supporting
> >> >health freedom and against tyranny. Our government is socialist, but
> >> >you and I and many other Americans aren't.  Same in Europe.  Since
> >> >when is informing the public considered tyranny?  Seems to be
> >> >liberating to me.  Now the EU is gradually patenting natural
> >> >supplements like Folic Acid and raw produce like broccoli, so that
> >> >is the continent's next battle.  Sounds like tyranny to me,
> >> >Mike.  You need to chill out on what you consider tyranny.  The IRS
> >> >and the NSA and the Fed, yes.  Informing people like me that there
> >> >is fluordated water, or GMO's, or any other dangerous chemical in
> >> >food is for 500 million Americans. Liberty to swing my arms ends
> >> >where your nose begins, doesn't it?
> >> >
> >> >Leigh
> >> >
> >> >In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary
> >> >act. George Orwell
> >> >
> >> >Truth is treason in the empire of lies. Ron Paul
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >From: Mike Benoit 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]>
> >> >To: 
> <mailto:[address removed]><mail­to:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >> >Sent: Monday, July 22,[masked]:48 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Monsanto Virtually Gives Up on Growing GMO
> >> >Crops in Europe
> >> >
> >> >A missed opportunity for tyranny. Lets all look to socialist Europe
> >> >for what to do.
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >
> >> >At 01:32 PM 7/22/2013, you wrote:
> >> > > My sister sent me this bit of news.  Europe has had mandatory
> >> > labeling and has been opposing GMO's for years, and it seems to
> >> > have worked without pesky lawsuits or hurting any businesses.  This
> >> > could have happened in this country if California's prop 37 had
> >> > passed. A missed opportunity.
> >> > >
> >> > > Leigh
> >> > >
> >> > > In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a
> >> > revolutionary act. George Orwell
> >> > >
> >> > > Truth is treason in the empire of lies. Ron Paul
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Monsanto Virtually Gives Up on Growing GMO Crops in Europe
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > By John Upton, Grist
> >> > > 20 July 13
> >> > >
> >> > > []
> >> > > onsanto has pretty much given up any hope (at least for now) of
> >> > selling its genetically engineered seeds for corn, sugar beets, and
> >> > other crops in Europe, where opposition to GMO food is overwhelming.
> >> > >
> >> > 
> <<<<http://www.latime...­
> >> > the L.A. Times:
> >> > > Monsanto Co. said Thursday it will largely drop its bid to grow
> >> > some of its genetically modified crops in Europe. The world's
> >> > largest seed-maker has nine pending applications with the European
> >> > Commission, the executive body for the European Union. A spokesman
> >> > said the company plans to withdraw eight of those applications.
> >> > > The requests "have been going nowhere fast for several years,"
> >> > said Brandon Mitchener, a spokesman for the St. Louis-based
> >> > company's European entity. "There's no end in sight ... due to
> >> > political obstructionism."
> >> > >
> >> > > The European Union's stubborn resistance to transgenic crops
> >> > stands in stark contrast to the
> >> > 
> <<<<http://grist.org/...­
> >> > mat rolled out by American lawmakers for agro-giants and their most
> >> > controversial products.
> >> > 
> <<<<http://www.bbc.co...­
> >> > the BBC:
> >> > > The company said it would now concentrate on growing its
> >> > conventional seeds business in Europe. It will also look to get EU
> >> > approval to import its genetically modified crop varieties from the
> >> > US and South America into Europe.
> >> > > In 2012, Germany's BASF halted the development of genetically
> >> > modified crops in Europe and moved its European research operations
> >> > in this area to the US.
> >> > >
> >> > > Welcome home, corporate industrial science.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
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