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Re: [ronpaul-93] Monsanto / Big Food / Corporatism / Free Market / 2 Short Videos

From: Mike B.
Sent on: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:59 PM
Actually, you are right. The laws don't help. 
They don't make people more responsible they make them less so in either case.

Mike

At 07:06 AM 8/6/2013, you wrote:
>I don't think that's what Mike is trying to say. 
>what I'm gathering from your guys' debate is 
>that we have to be careful what laws are used 
>for. because today we have misguided laws with 
>ill intent towards civilians.  Example : IF a 
>gun ban law passes (& they're trying real hard) 
>, how does this protect law abiding peeps from 
>law breaking peeps?? It does not! It protects 
>HLS from law abiding peeps, that's it
>
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>
>Leigh Skinner <[address removed]> wrote:
>
> >Mike,
> >
> >
> >No, we want to hit a lic' against government 
> tyranny by mitigating their form of mandatory 
> labeling by making it more accurate until we 
> can do away with the practice all together. Â 
> You want to let the chemical companies expand 
> their influence even more. Â Rarely is it right 
> to use the law to control others, but that 
> doesn't mean it should never be done. Â That is 
> what a war is, stopping the enemy from 
> advancing. Â We are in a eugenics war and right 
> now the government is winning. Â You want to 
> just stand by the sidelines and let them win 
> this particular conflict. Â As one who went up 
> against the IRS and lost, have lost you will to 
> outwit the government thugs? Â I pick my 
> battles, and this is mine, as it is winnable.
> >
> >Â
> >
> >Leigh
> >
> >In a time of universal deceit, telling the 
> truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
> >
> >
> >Truth is treason in the empire of lies. Ron Paul
> >
> >
> >From: Mike Benoit <[address removed]>
> >To: [address removed]
> >Sent: Saturday, August 3,[masked]:23 PM
> >Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Monsanto / Big Food 
> / Corporatism / Free Market / 2 Short Videos
> >
> >
> >So the answer is less government not more and 
> it is naive at best to think you will win 
> control of a giant government. You want to be in charge of the abuse?
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >At 07:37 AM 8/3/2013, you wrote:
> >> Ron Paul is against "corporatism." That is 
> where large corporations control government.
> >>
> >> Would you rather have just a few big farms, 
> or a 100,000 small ones?  We know what Monsanto wants.
> >>
> >> Monsanto is out to destroy it's competition, 
> using influence in government as an 
> advantage.  If a small farmer has his field 
> polluted with genetically modified organisms, 
> against his wishes - guess what? - he is held 
> civilly liable for "patent infringement."Â  And 
> our court system has sided with Monsanto.  What is wrong with that picture?
> >>
> >> Small Farmers are harassed and persecuted by 
> regulatory agencies much to the glee of "Big 
> Food."Â  Big corporations don't want 
> competition from local, independent producers 
> with a better product.  They address these 
> concerns by passing regulations that hinder the 
> small independent producer, and they use the 
> media to spread scary ideas (We need GMO's to 
> feed the world.  Labeling will increase food 
> costs tremendously.  Raw Milk is dangerous.  etc.)
> >>
> >> The thing we should be scared about is 
> GMOs.  See short portion of the Documentary "Genetic Roulette" below.
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> <https://www.youtub...­
> >>
> >> If Monsanto is for it, I am against it - 
> Joel Salantin - Successful Libertarian Organic Farmer.
> >>
> >> 
> <https://www.youtub...­
> >>
> >> See his many videos on sustainable farming 
> on youtube.  He has published many books on 
> the subject.  He has testified before congress 
> and his message seems to ring true.
> >>
> >> 
> <http://wonkistan....­
> >>
> >> Ben
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Mike Benoit <[address removed]>
> >> To: [address removed]
> >> Sent: Friday, August 2,[masked]:04 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Monsanto Virtually 
> Gives Up on Growing GMO Crops in Europe
> >>
> >> So you want GMOs banned under the name of safety. If someone wants to
> >> sell me a product and I want to buy it then it is none of your
> >> business and you have no right to mandate that they label their product.
> >>
> >> You make the same argument the gun grabbers make. "we only want
> >> reasonable legislation" yet when something is banned they cheer from
> >> the roof top.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 01:42 PM 8/2/2013, you wrote:
> >> >Mike,
> >> >
> >> >You fought against Prop 37 to label GMO's, which would have put us
> >> >in the position of Monsanto leaving this country eventually like
> >> >they did recently in Europe.  Then the Libertarian answer to
> >> >defeating GMO's was to lead a protest against them in Balboa Park a
> >> >month or two after the prop was defeated.  How did that go, by the
> >> >way?  Was Monsanto quaking in their shoes?
> >> >
> >> >Over 600 million people in Europe signed a petition supporting
> >> >health freedom and against tyranny. Our government is socialist, but
> >> >you and I and many other Americans aren't.  Same in Europe.  Since
> >> >when is informing the public considered tyranny?  Seems to be
> >> >liberating to me.  Now the EU is gradually patenting natural
> >> >supplements like Folic Acid and raw produce like broccoli, so that
> >> >is the continent's next battle.  Sounds like tyranny to me,
> >> >Mike.  You need to chill out on what you consider tyranny.  The IRS
> >> >and the NSA and the Fed, yes.  Informing people like me that there
> >> >is fluordated water, or GMO's, or any other dangerous chemical in
> >> >food is for 500 million Americans. Liberty to swing my arms ends
> >> >where your nose begins, doesn't it?
> >> >
> >> >Leigh
> >> >
> >> >In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary
> >> >act. George Orwell
> >> >
> >> >Truth is treason in the empire of lies. Ron Paul
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >From: Mike Benoit 
> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]>
> >> >To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
> >> >Sent: Monday, July 22,[masked]:48 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Monsanto Virtually Gives Up on Growing GMO
> >> >Crops in Europe
> >> >
> >> >A missed opportunity for tyranny. Lets all look to socialist Europe
> >> >for what to do.
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >
> >> >At 01:32 PM 7/22/2013, you wrote:
> >> > > My sister sent me this bit of news.  Europe has had mandatory
> >> > labeling and has been opposing GMO's for years, and it seems to
> >> > have worked without pesky lawsuits or hurting any businesses.  This
> >> > could have happened in this country if California's prop 37 had
> >> > passed. A missed opportunity.
> >> > >
> >> > > Leigh
> >> > >
> >> > > In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a
> >> > revolutionary act. George Orwell
> >> > >
> >> > > Truth is treason in the empire of lies. Ron Paul
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Monsanto Virtually Gives Up on Growing GMO Crops in Europe
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > By John Upton, Grist
> >> > > 20 July 13
> >> > >
> >> > > []
> >> > > onsanto has pretty much given up any hope (at least for now) of
> >> > selling its genetically engineered seeds for corn, sugar beets, and
> >> > other crops in Europe, where opposition to GMO food is overwhelming.
> >> > >
> >> > 
> <<<http://www.latime...­ 
>
> >> > the L.A. Times:
> >> > > Monsanto Co. said Thursday it will largely drop its bid to grow
> >> > some of its genetically modified crops in Europe. The world's
> >> > largest seed-maker has nine pending applications with the European
> >> > Commission, the executive body for the European Union. A spokesman
> >> > said the company plans to withdraw eight of those applications.
> >> > > The requests "have been going nowhere fast for several years,"
> >> > said Brandon Mitchener, a spokesman for the St. Louis-based
> >> > company's European entity. "There's no end in sight ... due to
> >> > political obstructionism."
> >> > >
> >> > > The European Union's stubborn resistance to transgenic crops
> >> > stands in stark contrast to the
> >> > 
> <<<http://grist.org/...­ 
>
> >> > mat rolled out by American lawmakers for agro-giants and their most
> >> > controversial products.
> >> > 
> <<<http://www.bbc.co...­ 
>
> >> > the BBC:
> >> > > The company said it would now concentrate on growing its
> >> > conventional seeds business in Europe. It will also look to get EU
> >> > approval to import its genetically modified crop varieties from the
> >> > US and South America into Europe.
> >> > > In 2012, Germany's BASF halted the development of genetically
> >> > modified crops in Europe and moved its European research operations
> >> > in this area to the US.
> >> > >
> >> > > Welcome home, corporate industrial science.
> >> > >
> >> > >
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