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Re: [ronpaul-93] Re: Monsant-anoia

From: Andrea B.
Sent on: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 2:01 PM
Grinding up plants to to create a paste or something is one thing. Modified food to install a  poison to repel natural "pests"s another. Ever Heard that saying You are what you eat? 

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Xian <[address removed]> wrote:

>With regards to law, I completely agree with Mike's response... (a) KEEP OPTIONS ALIVE - brilliantly said!  There should be no law concerning the consumption of GMO foods... but unlike Mike, I do actually favor one side of the good -vs- bad debate.  I am not a biologist or a nutritionist... but I am reasonably convinced that GMO foods are not part of a BIG-Gov, NWO conspiracy to destroy human life.
>
>Borrowing a couple of short arguments from an online debate that I do agree with >>>
>
>1- (Debater x): Most of the food we see today, even 'naturally grown' food, would be unrecognizable to people a few thousand years ago. For example, maize in Mexico was turned from a weedy, useless plant to the juicy, essential food source we enjoy today by SELECTION and SELECTIVE BREEDING. All the food we eat is genetically modified in some way, just because you're growing it in your own garden without pesticides doesn't mean that the seed you planted didn't come from an organism that underwent huge selection in the past to make it bigger or sweeter. All biotechnology is doing is speeding up this process.
>
>2- (Debater y): I'm a little frustrated seeing all the negative posts like "GMO Studies show that..." Excuse me, what studies do you refer to? I get a very strong suspicion that they are basically quoting from a Facebook link or something on YouTube. I am a biotechnology student pretty well-versed in recombinant proteins and nucleic acids. I see how enraged people get over a genetically altered tomato, yet continue to take commercially produced drugs, buy grass seed and pretty flowers for their yard and eat at fast food restaurants. I can only say that as the population of the world continues to boom and the available space to grow crops for human consumption continues to shrink, we're all going to be glad to have these plants that will probably save our lives.
>
>
>
>From: Mike Benoit <[address removed]>
>To: [address removed] 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 7,[masked]:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Monsanto / Big Food / Corporatism / Free Market / 2 Short Videos
>
>
>Well, if they get to that point then maybe the 
>labeling will work? Ha Ha, of course it will 
>never work anyway. You can't beat them with force 
>just with options. Don't let your options die. Support them.
>
>Mike
>
>At 07:03 PM 8/6/2013, you wrote:
>>Wow! I am very anti Monsanto. But you cannot 
>>argue Mikes point there. Either you're pro 
>>liberty and freedom, or you want your version of 
>>control. Still madly against Monsanto. But pro 
>>freedom. As long as they don't get out of hand. 
>>And abuse those freedoms. Which Monsanto 
>>doooooooes have a tendency to do. So Mike, I'm 
>>in with your stand. However, how do we deal with 
>>a massive food company, who has the deepest of 
>>pockets. And in those pockets also contain our 
>>leaders. Leaders that pass legislation that 
>>absolve Monsanto specifically. Even if the food 
>>they provide to countless people, cause disease 
>>and death? When do we pull the plug on the responsible party for that?
>>
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
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>>On Aug 6, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Mike Benoit <[address removed]> wrote:
>>
>> > NO you are not getting it. I am against 
>> smoking. I am not for it, but I am against the 
>> government controlling it at all????????
>> > Freedom comes with responsibility and if your 
>> destroy responsibility then you destroy 
>> freedom. People should have the freedom to buy 
>> GMO without restriction. You have the freedom 
>> to buy non GMO. If someone creates a tyranny 
>> against someone then you putting a tyranny on 
>> the first someone is not fighting tyranny it is enhancing it.
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:05 AM 8/6/2013, you wrote:
>> >> I get that philosophy. we are either for or 
>> against. there is no middle of the road. if an 
>> innocent bystander watches somebody harm 
>> another human are they truly innocent for just 
>> standing there and not doing anything?
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T
>> >>
>> >> Leigh Skinner <[address removed]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Fighting against GMO's and Monsanto is 
>> opposing tyranny. Â Ignoring it is supporting 
>> tyranny. Â The government has put us in a 
>> tenable position of having to use the law to 
>> save ourselves, and this is what is most 
>> gauling to me and should be to you, too. Â 
>> Unraveling practices that have been around for 
>> a long time does hurt innocent people. Â If we 
>> close down the Fed and the IRS, there will be 
>> many people who will lose their jobs. Â Is 
>> this fair to those who are just working at a 
>> job, trying to support their families? Â I'm 
>> talking about the rank and file employees, not 
>> those who make policy. Â We can't end any evil 
>> practice without hurting innocent lives. Â Are 
>> we to continue with GMO's, the IRS, the Fed, and thee NSA to avoid this?Â
>> >> >
>> >> >Â
>> >> >
>> >> >Leigh
>> >> >
>> >> >In a time of universal deceit, telling the 
>> truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Truth is treason in the empire of lies. Ron Paul
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >From: Ben <[address removed]>
>> >> >To: [address removed]
>> >> >Sent: Saturday, August 3,[masked]:43 PM
>> >> >Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Monsanto / Big 
>> Food / Corporatism / Free Market / 2 Short Videos
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Like Joel Salatin says - if Monsanto is fer 
>> it - I'm aganst it.  And I didn't even take time to read the bill.
>> >> >
>> >> >Read up on sustainable farming or watch 
>> some youtube videos by Joel Salatin.  We are 
>> the first generation that eats things we can 
>> not pronounce.  We eat things we can't make 
>> in our own kitchen.  Have you ever tried to 
>> make High Fructose Corn Syrup at home?
>> >> >
>> >> >Monsanto is against the small farmer, the 
>> free market, and food independence. 
>>   Anything that hinders Monsanto is a move in the right direction.
>> >> >
>> >> >Some regulation must exist.  Like dont' 
>> drive more than 25 MPH in a school zone, don't 
>> beat your wife and kids, label GMO food.
>> >> >
>> >> >https://www.youtub...;­ 
>> htt ps://www.youtube.com­/watch?v=iMd7DDWMcF8­
>> >> >
>> >> >From: Mike Benoit <[address removed]>
>> >> >To: [address removed]
>> >> >Sent: Saturday, August 3,[masked]:24 PM
>> >> >Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Monsanto / Big 
>> Food / Corporatism / Free Market / 2 Short Videos
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >So the answer is less government not more and it is naive at best to
>> >> >think you will win control of a giant government. You want to be in
>> >> >charge of the abuse?
>> >> >
>> >> >Mike
>> >> >
>> >> >At 07:37 AM 8/3/2013, you wrote:
>> >> >>Ron Paul is against "corporatism." That is where large corporations
>> >> >>control government.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Would you rather have just a few big farms, or a 100,000 small
>> >> >>ones?  We know what Monsanto wants.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Monsanto is out to destroy it's competition, using influence in
>> >> >>government as an advantage.  If a small farmer has his field
>> >> >>polluted with genetically modified organisms, against his wishes -
>> >> >>guess what? - he is held civilly liable for "patent
>> >> >>infringement­."  And our court system has sided with Monsanto.  What
>> >> >>is wrong with that picture?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Small Farmers are harassed and persecuted by regulatory agencies
>> >> >>much to the glee of "Big Food."  Big corporations don't want
>> >> >>competition from local, independent producers with a better
>> >> >>product.  They address these concerns by passing regulations that
>> >> >>hinder the small independent producer, and they use the media to
>> >> >>spread scary ideas (We need GMO's to feed the world.  Labeling will
>> >> >>increase food costs tremendously.  Raw Milk is dangerous.  etc.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>The thing we should be scared about is GMOs.  See short portion of
>> >>
>> >> >>the Documentary "Genetic Roulette" below.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >><https://www.youtub...­ 
>> M>h ttps://www.youtube.c­om/watch?v=TLvxSm2Nf­RM
>> >> >>
>> >> >>If Monsanto is for it, I am against it - Joel Salantin - Successful
>> >> >>Libertarian Organic Farmer.
>> >> >>
>> >> >><https://www.youtub...­ 
>> 8>h ttps://www.youtube.c­om/watch?v=iMd7DDWMc­F8
>> >> >>
>> >> >>See his many videos on sustainable farming on youtube.  He has
>> >> >>published many books on the subject.  He has testified before
>> >> >>congress and his message seems to ring true.
>> >> >>
>> >> >><http://wonkistan....­ 
>> -sa 
>> latin-a-self-describ­ed>http://wonkistan....­
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Ben
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>From: Mike Benoit <[address removed]>
>> >> >>To: [address removed]
>> >> >>Sent: Friday, August 2,[masked]:04 PM
>> >> >>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Monsanto Virtually Gives Up on Growing GMO
>> >> >>Crops in Europe
>> >> >>
>> >> >>So you want GMOs banned under the name of safety. If someone wants to
>>
>> >> >>sell me a product and I want to buy it then it is none of your
>> >> >>business and you have no right to mandate that they label their product.
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>You make the same argument the gun grabbers make. "we only want
>> >> >>reasonable legislation" yet when something is banned they cheer from
>> >> >>the roof top.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Mike
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>At 01:42 PM 8/2/2013, you wrote:
>> >> >> >Mike,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >You fought against Prop 37 to label GMO's, which would have put us
>> >> >> >in the position of Monsanto leaving this country eventually like
>> >> >> >they did recently in Europe.  Then the Libertarian answer to
>> >> >> >defeating GMO's was to lead a protest against them in Balboa Park a
>>
>> >> >> >month or two after the prop was defeated.  How did that go, by the
>> >> >> >way?  Was Monsanto quaking in their shoes?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Over 600 million people in Europe signed a petition supporting
>> >> >> >health freedom and against tyranny. Our government is socialist, but
>> >> >> >you and I and many other Americans aren't.  Same in Europe.  Since
>> >> >> >when is informing the public considered tyranny?  Seems to be
>>
>> >> >> >liberating to me.  Now the EU is gradually patenting natural
>> >> >> >supplements like Folic Acid and raw produce like broccoli, so that
>> >> >> >is the continent's next battle.  Sounds like tyranny to me,
>> >> >> >Mike.  You need to chill out on what 
>> you consider tyranny.  The IRS
>> >> >> >and the NSA and the Fed, yes.  Informing people like me that there
>> >> >> >is fluordated water, or GMO's, or any other dangerous chemical in
>> >> >> >food is for 500 million Americans. Liberty to swing my arms ends
>> >> >> >where your nose begins, doesn't it?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Leigh
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary
>>
>> >> >> >act. George Orwell
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Truth is treason in the empire of lies. Ron Paul
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >From: Mike Benoit
>> >> >> <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]>
>> >> >> >To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
>> >> >> >Sent: Monday, July 22,[masked]:48 PM
>> >> >> >Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Monsanto Virtually Gives Up on Growing GMO
>> >> >> >Crops in Europe
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >A missed opportunity for tyranny. Lets all look to socialist Europe
>>
>> >> >> >for what to do.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Mike
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >At 01:32 PM 7/22/2013, you wrote:
>> >> >> > > My sister sent me this bit of news.  Europe has had mandatory
>> >> >> > labeling and has been opposing GMO's for years, and it seems to
>> >> >> > have worked without pesky lawsuits or hurting any businesses.  This
>> >> >> > could have happened in this country if California's prop 37 had
>> >> >> > passed. A missed opportunity.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Leigh
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a
>> >> >> > revolutionary act. George Orwell
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Truth is treason in the empire of lies. Ron Paul
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Monsanto Virtually Gives Up on Growing GMO Crops in Europe
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > By John Upton, Grist
>> >> >> > > 20 July 13
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > []
>> >> >> > > onsanto has pretty much given up any hope (at least for now) of
>> >> >> > selling its genetically engineered seeds for corn, sugar beets, and
>> >> >> > other crops in Europe, where opposition to GMO food is overwhelming.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> 
>> <<<http://www.latime...­ 
>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > the L.A. Times:
>> >> >> > > Monsanto Co. said Thursday it will largely drop its bid to grow
>> >> >> > some of its genetically modified crops in Europe. The world's
>> >> >> > largest seed-maker has nine pending applications with the European
>>
>> >> >> > Commission, the executive body for the European Union. A spokesman
>>
>> >> >> > said the company plans to withdraw eight of those applications.
>> >> >> > > The requests "have been going nowhere fast for several years,"
>> >> >> > said Brandon Mitchener, a spokesman for the St. Louis-based
>> >> >> > company's European entity. "There's no end in sight ... due to
>> >> >> > political obstructionism."
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > The European Union's stubborn resistance to transgenic crops
>> >> >> > stands in stark contrast to the
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> 
>> <<<http://grist.org/...­ 
>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > mat rolled out by American lawmakers for agro-giants and their most
>> >> >> > controversial products.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> 
>> <<<http://www.bbc.co...­ 
>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > the BBC:
>> >> >> > > The company said it would now concentrate on growing its
>> >> >> > conventional seeds business in Europe. It will also look to get EU
>>
>> >> >> > approval to import its genetically modified crop varieties from the
>> >> >> > US and South America into Europe.
>> >> >> > > In 2012, Germany's BASF halted the development of genetically
>> >> >> > modified crops in Europe and moved its European research operations
>> >> >> > in this area to the US.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Welcome home, corporate industrial science.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
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