Re: [ronpaul-93] Fwd: Lies and deception

From: Mike B.
Sent on: Monday, October 14, 2013 10:48 AM
>Leigh, it is tyranny to make someone do 
>something against their will. Forced labeling is 
>tyranny. Sure big business getting together with 
>big government forcing the citizens to do or to 
>not do a thing is also tyranny. You dont have to 
>eat foods where the manufacturer will not 
>satisfy you (labeling). The tyranny of the IRS 
>and no choice in your water supply is the same 
>tyranny you want to force onto companies who 
>don't want to label and people like me who don't 
>care about the labels. If the majority want 
>labels the market will respond. NOW GO EAT YOUR HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP.


Mike



>Also, when labeling of GMO's is referred to as 
>tyranny, when it is the government collusion 
>with the GMO producing companies that is 
>producing GMO's in the first place, what is left 
>to us the people but to at least add truth to 
>the existing labeling law so at least we have 
>more chance to know where we stand and make the 
>government and GMO's more honest?  I respect 
>Libertarian theory, and I try very hard not to 
>step on other people's rights, but if the 
>manufacturers who use GMO ingredients believe in 
>their product, and believe in honesty, I don't 
>quite see why it is considered tyranny to give a 
>push to make them live up to that honesty.  I 
>suspect after awhile they will gravitate to 
>organic ingredients.  But to be afraid to call 
>them on the way they produce their product seems 
>dishonest.  People who go into business and 
>provide a product or service aren't guaranteed 
>success.  The companies that help to fluoridate 
>our water make a living doing it, and if 
>fluoridation is overturned, quite a few people 
>will lose their jobs in connection with it here 
>in San Diego and clear back to the suppliers 
>from Germany who get it from China.  If the IRS 
>is ever disbanded because the income tax is 
>eliminated, something all Libertarians work 
>towards, hundreds of thousands of personnel will 
>lose their jobs.  And by extension, if GMO 
>labeling is ever passed here in CA or anywhere 
>else in this country, some jobs will be 
>threatened.  Do we not fight against the income 
>tax or fluoridation or GMO's because it will have repercussions?
>
>All these lies and deception over GMO's and 
>taxes and fluoride and bailouts and the Fed and 
>the debt ceiling and all the other things the 
>government lies about need to be opposed.
>
>Leigh
>
>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
>
>Truth is treason in the empire of lies. Ron Paul
>
>
>From: thomas stephan <[address removed]>
>To: [address removed]
>Sent: Sunday, October 13,[masked]:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Fwd: Lies and deception
>
>Leigh,
>  Yes I agree that the monopolistic "chrony" 
> capitalistic corporations are the government.
>In that light, there is the justification for 
>citizens to force a law as this is tyranny.
>We can not vote the bums out the Libertarian way 
>because the elections are rigged.
>Double Tyranny.
>Tom
>
>
>On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Leigh Skinner 
><<mailto:[­address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
>Ryan,
>
>I'm glad I'm on your side of liberty.  You did a 
>great job of not only educating the person you 
>were debating, but the crowd that watched.  That 
>is what each of us needs to do every day as 
>opportunities present themselves.  That is how 
>we'll bring back liberty to this country by 
>reminding others of what the Constitution and 
>capitalism actually mean.  And that isn't only 
>at rallies but while waiting in line at the 
>store or anywhere else you encounter strangers 
>and begin to engage in chatting with them.  They 
>don't know you and you don't know them, so one 
>can feel more comfortable giving an opinion 
>without as much baggage as someone you know 
>might bring.  And an idea can be planted that 
>could grow and take hold of them.  We will 
>strike out sometimes, but that is to be 
>expected.  But the more strangers we arouse to 
>liberty, the more successes we'll have.
>
>Leigh
>
>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
>
>Truth is treason in the empire of lies. Ron Paul
>
>
>From: Ryan <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]>
>To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
>Sent: Thursday, October 10,[masked]:31 PM
>
>Subject: Re: [ronpaul-93] Fwd: Lies and deception
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>I went to the rally last year and got into a 
>heated debate with a person promoting Socialism 
>and soliciting material, claiming Monsanto is 
>the result of capitalism. Long story short, I 
>said what we have here is the opposite of the 
>results of free markets. The issue with Monsanto 
>reflects more of the consequences of 
>Socialism!  Monsanto did not get where they are 
>because of a great product or innovation, like 
>say Facebook or Apple, but they are in the 
>position they are in because of their ties with 
>government. The more the American people vote in 
>more government involvement and regulation, the 
>more powerful the Monsantos of the world get. In 
>fact, I said I would not be surprised if 
>Monsanto hadn't sponsored the rally!! and was 
>not behind the efforts to tighten regulation!!
>After our debate in which we had a small crowd 
>around us, he said sheepishly, " ok. you made 
>your point"... One more Libertarian convert!!
>
>Ryan Mitchell Couf
>PO Box 17752
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>On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Leigh Skinner 
><<mailto:[­address removed]>[address­ removed]> wrote:
>Thomas,
>
>I essentially agree that the market should take 
>care of this issue, that is, a fully functioning 
>market free that is from government tyranny and 
>control.  But when the government is in cahoots 
>with the GMO forces, it is too much for those of 
>us who crave real food.  And increasingly, that 
>real food contains GMO's that have traveled 
>through the air, so organic hardly exists 
>anymore, especially those backyard gardens that 
>Libertarians love to grow.  Haven't you noticed 
>that the situation is getting worse, not better?
>
>Leigh
>
>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
>
>Truth is treason in the empire of lies. Ron Paul
>
>From: thomas stephan <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]>
>To: <mailto:[address removed]>[address­ removed]
>Sent: Thursday, October 10,[masked]:52 AM
>Subject: [ronpaul-93] Fwd: Lies and deception
>
>So I have a problem
>  I don't want to eat GMO because I have been 
> raised on real food all my life and I ain't dead yet.
>  But as a kinda wannabe psuedo Libertarian, I 
> don't want to vote for a law to force it.
>Rather I would vote with my dollars.
>  Where do I buy non GMO food?
>
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>From: Food Democracy Now! Team 
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>Date: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM
>Subject: Lies and deception
>To: Tom Stephan <<mailto:[addr­ess removed]>[address­ removed]>
>
>
><http://fdn.action...­ 
>time to Label GMOs! - You in?
>
>
><http://fdn.action...­ 
>us to win the fight for GMO labeling! - It's time to end the hypocrisy!
>
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><http://fdn.action...­ 
>and the GMA have raised $17 million to kill GMO 
>labeling in Washington, Now they're suing moms!
>Dear Tom,
>The stakes couldn't be higher!
>Last week, the Grocery Manufacturers Association 
>(GMA) dumped in $5 million against the Yes on 
>522 ballot initiative in Washington state. That 
>means the GMA, who represents companies like 
>Pepsi, Coke, Kraft, Kellogg's, Starbucks and 
>General Mills, is now the lead funder in an 
>effort to silence GMO labeling in America, with 
>a total of $7.2 million. But the real story 
>behind the continued efforts to kill GMO 
>labeling in the U.S. is even more alarming.
>
>Already Monsanto has dumped in $4.8 million and 
>DuPont has pledged $3.4 million to bring the 
>opposition war chest to a total of $17.1 million 
>against the citizen-led ballot initiative Yes on 
>522 to label genetically engineered foods.
>
>As political experts have predicted, Washington 
>state is a 'do or die' battle for both Monsanto 
>and the GMO labeling movement – and we need your help today!
>
><http://fdn.action...­ 
>in $5.22, $52.20 or whatever you can to help win 
>GMO labeling and defeat Monsanto and the GMA’s 
>lies once and for all! Together we win. Every dollar counts!
>http://fdn.action...­
>Even more alarming than the giant pile of cash 
>piling up from the opposition is the fact that 
>the Grocery Manufacturers Association is 
>currently hiding the names of the companies 
>donating the millions of dollars they’re 
>plowing into the race in what could be a direct 
>violation of Washington state campaign disclosure laws.
>$17 Million to Kill Labeling, Now They're Suing Moms!
>
>Unlike California, where giant junk food 
>companies like Pepsi, Coke, Kellogg’s, Kraft 
>and General Mills made their donations public by 
>donating outright to the opposition, in 
>Washington, these “trusted” American brands 
>are secretly bundling their donations in an 
>effort to hide how much they’re willing to 
>give to kill GMO labeling because they're afraid of consumer backlash!
>
>In an effort to get to the bottom of this 
>campaign deception, a group of local Washington 
>moms has filed a suit against the GMA to find 
>out who was paying big money to manipulate public opinion.
>
>Rather than comply with Washington election law 
>and reveal their donors, the Grocery 
>Manufacturers Association and the NO on 522 
>campaign filed a countersuit against the 
>Washington mom’s group, Moms for Labeling. Now 
>Monsanto and the GMA are using a law designed to 
>protect citizens from corporations to instead 
>protect corporations from everyday people. Seriously?
>
>Last Friday, in a perversion of justice, a 
>Washington judge sided with Monsanto and the GMA 
>and ruled against the moms, slapping them with a $10,000 fine.
>This is outrageous and we need your help today 
>to make sure that this perversion of our 
>democracy can no longer stand! We can't let 
>these corporations continue to keep us in the 
>dark about what they're feeding us!
>
><http://fdn.action...­ 
>in right now so we can stop Monsanto and the 
>GMA’s propaganda machine cold in Washington 
>State. Help us win the fight for GMO labeling! 
>It’s time that Americans have the right to 
>know what Monsanto is feeding us! Every dollar counts!
>
>
>We're close to winning and need your help to 
>cross the finish line! Two weeks ago, we 
>defeated the Monsanto Protection Act in 
>Washingon DC and earlier this year we passed GMO 
>labeling laws in Connecticut and Maine, now help us win in Washington.
>Remember, democracy is like a muscle, you either use it or you lose it!
><http://fdn.action...­ 
>donate what you can today!
>http://fdn.action...­
>Thanks for participating in food democracy,
>Dave, Lisa and the Food Democracy Action! team
>
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