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Re: [ronpaul-93] Fwd: You Should Be Able to “Dear John†The State - I have been supporting DownsizeDC for a few years now. This is only one of the ma Leigh S. Feb 19, 2013 12:57 PM
Fwd: You Should Be Able to “Dear John†The State - >YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO "DEAR JOHN" THE STATE >by Jim Babka >for The Zero Aggression Project > >Thomas Jefferson said that it was immoral to >compel a man to furnish the funds for that which >he abhors. The State does exactly this on >countle Mike B. Feb 19, 2013 9:50 AM
Fwd: You Should Be Able to “Dear John†The State - > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Downsizer Dispatch > [address removed]> >Date: Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 8:14 AM >Subject: You Should Be Able to “Dear John†The State Mike B. Feb 19, 2013 9:20 AM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Libertarian Response to the Obama speach - Preview not available James R. Feb 16, 2013 5:25 PM
Dr. Benjamin Carson's biblical laden speech at the recent National Prayer Breakfast - Leigh S. Feb 16, 2013 11:43 AM
Here comes the dollar collapse. - Preview not available Ken C. Feb 15, 2013 9:05 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] Libertarian Response to the Obama speach - Preview not available Ken C. Feb 15, 2013 2:12 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Libertarian Response to the Obama speach - Preview not available James R. Feb 14, 2013 10:55 PM
Support the Defenders of the Constitution - Keith B. Feb 13, 2013 11:38 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] Libertarian Response to the Obama speach - The only way to shrink government is to repeal Ken C. Feb 13, 2013 2:55 PM
Libertarian Response to the Obama speach - Here is your Libertarian response to Obama's speech. http://www.youtube.com/watch?f­eature=player_embedded&v=RhmFX­Re5Z68 Michael Benoit Ron Paul for President http://www.meetup.com/ronpaul-­93/ Mike B. Feb 13, 2013 11:01 AM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available Reinhard S. Feb 9, 2013 10:37 AM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Cameron, I agree with much of what you say. Add to this t Leigh S. Feb 9, 2013 10:23 AM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available Reinhard S. Feb 9, 2013 10:18 AM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available Cameron B. Feb 9, 2013 10:06 AM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - i4freedom, Leigh S. Feb 9, 2013 8:50 AM
RE: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available i4freedom Feb 8, 2013 4:17 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available BINK Feb 8, 2013 3:54 PM
Almost 3,000 copies of The Law mailed to date - Michael Benoit 8781 Cuyamaca St. Ste. D Santee, Ca. 92071 [address removed] 2/8/2013 I am writing today to give you a report on the success of my project of mailing out copies of The Law and my Mike B. Feb 8, 2013 3:46 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - The law is the individual right of self defense of life, liberty and property organized in a manner to be collectively applied. All else is a perversion of law. Laws designed to prevent something from happening are perversions of law. Making a la Mike B. Feb 8, 2013 3:01 PM
Unhappy with the unlibertarian postings in this group??? - Some have told me of their discontent with the unlibertarian views posted recently. If that is the case the most libertarian group is over here http://www.meetup.com/libertar­ian-293/   Hope to see you over there.   Mik Mike B. Feb 8, 2013 2:48 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available Cameron B. Feb 8, 2013 1:42 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available Cameron B. Feb 8, 2013 1:21 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available Reinhard S. Feb 8, 2013 1:02 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available Ken C. Feb 8, 2013 12:47 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Cameron, Property is probably the most important prot Leigh S. Feb 8, 2013 12:39 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available Cameron B. Feb 8, 2013 9:39 AM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - And I have believed for a long time that Mexicans who do come here, no matter by what route, should eventually go home for good and teach their friends and neighbors of the things they've learned in the U.S., and hopefully liberty is one of them. Mike B. Feb 7, 2013 4:06 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - You're amusing, Mike. People constantly leaving a country can only hurt that coun Leigh S. Feb 7, 2013 2:14 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Phil, Absolute liberty is no better than absolute tyranny Leigh S. Feb 7, 2013 1:57 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available James R. Feb 6, 2013 6:46 PM
RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - user 7. Feb 6, 2013 4:10 PM
RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - user 7. Feb 6, 2013 3:24 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Tom, I was not suggesting anything close that Govt. should protect jobs...if you were familiar with my comments here, you would James R. Feb 6, 2013 1:34 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - No, Tom, it isn't the government's job to protect jobs, but it isn't their respons Leigh S. Feb 6, 2013 1:01 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Mike, I understand your points, and to some extent I agree Leigh S. Feb 6, 2013 12:52 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - James, I suggest you read Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations or Claude Frederic Bastiat's Economic Sophism. Abundance is created by increased production at lower cost. If someone can make our shoes for less money overseas (yes American shoe manufactu Mike B. Feb 6, 2013 12:04 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Also, you seem to think it is the government's responsibility to protect U.S. jobs. This is wrong in (at least) two ways: Tom M. Feb 6, 2013 11:03 AM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Cameron, Leigh makes valid points. Gov. data is often tainted. The DHS report shows there is estimated ~29 million James R. Feb 6, 2013 10:47 AM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Cameron, I suspect what James is trying to extropolat Leigh S. Feb 6, 2013 9:56 AM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Now, I am under no illusions concerning what a crap economy we are in now, with real unemployment in the 15-20% range, but your numbers with "no..opinion" seem to be juxtaposed/presented to create a misleading impression. 28million+ job Cameron B. Feb 5, 2013 9:19 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - FIrst there is NO spoken opinion on this but here are some real numbers...form your own. attached is the DHS estimat James R. Feb 5, 2013 6:43 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Of course liberty does not solve all problems. If one has the liberty to work he still has the problem of work. "that's why the party will not grow" You guys won't grow you are about too much liberty. Wow, you think an "illegal immigrant" is like Mike B. Feb 5, 2013 4:29 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Bink, While our country is in bad shape, I think the messa Leigh S. Feb 5, 2013 12:42 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available i4freedom Feb 5, 2013 12:12 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - It is my contention that Liberty only solves one situation, that being slavery. All the other situations can only be solved by free persons fighting injustice, and resisting the urge to join in because BINK Feb 5, 2013 11:14 AM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Great post, Susan. Libertarians have this very strict liberty philosophy that&nbs Leigh S. Feb 5, 2013 8:31 AM
RE: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available Susan Feb 4, 2013 6:12 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available Ryan Feb 4, 2013 4:23 PM
RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - user 7. Feb 4, 2013 3:31 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Leigh, the comment was directed at the anarchist in these post. It seems foul to me that those who believe anarchy to be the solution to an abusive state get to sit home all day at the expense of those who are under that tortured state and ponti Mike B. Feb 4, 2013 1:57 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Yes, I think we can all agree that minimum wage laws are counter productive, and E-Veri Leigh S. Feb 4, 2013 1:42 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Phil, The illegal immigrants of today have been very upfro Leigh S. Feb 4, 2013 1:25 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Mike, You are welcome not to cooperate with the incom Leigh S. Feb 4, 2013 1:15 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Bink, You are being rather simplistic in saying Leigh S. Feb 4, 2013 12:39 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - What about those who disagreed with the SSI concept whose paychecks were docked for the premiums by the force-monopolists?  Should these fleeced people now help out these monopolists and make them look good in the eyes of the masses by prolonging t Reinhard S. Feb 4, 2013 10:54 AM
Re: Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Jon Feb 3, 2013 8:06 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - There is no force-monopoly??  Assuming you are not a member of it, what happens to you for example when you don't pay your non-negotiable membership-fees, i.e., taxes, M.?  Or did you sign a contract stating that you agree to pay them regardl Reinhard S. Feb 3, 2013 5:55 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Preview not available Terrence Feb 3, 2013 4:37 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Preview not available BINK Feb 3, 2013 3:41 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - First off their is no force monopoly even if the balance of force is out of wack. Courage to resist is the starting point. Answer me this R. do you take social security checks or file income tax returns? Mike At 02:41 PM 2/3/2013, you wrote: Mike B. Feb 3, 2013 2:50 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - How can one without such a monopoly limit one with a force-monopoly to anything, Mike? On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Mike Benoit < mblibert Reinhard S. Feb 3, 2013 2:26 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - James,   As one of the group I would like to add my 2c answer to your question (without a question mark):   It doesn't matter what JFK, Eisenhower or Washington would say if they heard Hillary, Clinton e Reinhard S. Feb 3, 2013 2:18 PM
RE: Amnesty attempt again!! - user 7. Feb 3, 2013 2:17 PM
RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - user 7. Feb 3, 2013 2:17 PM
RE: Amnesty attempt again!!! - user 7. Feb 3, 2013 2:15 PM
RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - user 7. Feb 3, 2013 2:15 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - James, I don't agree with many of your premises. Ayn Rand had a lot to add to the debate but the basis of a just society is one that makes and enforces laws supporting the idea that we all have an individual right to defend our lives, liberty an Mike B. Feb 3, 2013 1:42 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - I agree with your points, Mike.  The efficacy of minimum wage laws is grounded in flawed Keynesian thinking.  Requiring employers to pay more than would be freely negotiated with willing workers leads to inflation, particularly hurting those on fixed re Cameron B. Feb 3, 2013 1:40 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - The use of government force should always be limited to securing rights not violating them. Laws are based in that principle not in some foggey notion of benefit to the collective. Once again Ken shows that he is in favor of food stamps just no Mike B. Feb 3, 2013 1:27 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available James R. Feb 3, 2013 11:25 AM
RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Ken, you like to label people in groups. That is your choice but don't force it on me. We have human beings, people, individuals. What is an illegal drug user if he is a US citizen? An illegal US citizen. Driving without a license is someone usin Mike B. Feb 3, 2013 10:32 AM
RE: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available Ken C. Feb 2, 2013 5:25 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Preview not available Ken C. Feb 2, 2013 5:21 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Preview not available Ken C. Feb 2, 2013 4:52 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Leigh S. Feb 2, 2013 4:26 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Any government that favors one group over another is not the kind I would support. Government should not be involved in education either. This amnesty question is one of diversion. Keep the masses in argument over a symptom of a system gone bad. I Mike B. Feb 2, 2013 2:03 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - The condition of being a worker is never illegal. If one does harm then they are guilty of that offensive. You may as well call them an illegal human then? At 01:48 PM 2/2/2013, you wrote: >Mike - Even if the worker does intentional harm >to ano Mike B. Feb 2, 2013 1:53 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Preview not available James R. Feb 2, 2013 1:36 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Government welfare ought to always be illegal, workers should never be illegal. Mike At 11:29 AM 2/2/2013, you wrote: >A drug user doesn't steal my money when he takes a job. > >Just because I'm already being robbed doesn't >mean I should allow Mike B. Feb 2, 2013 12:20 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again!! - Philip, Terrence Feb 2, 2013 9:50 AM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - This seems like quite a reasonable argument, Ken.  My question to you is if government is "perfectly justified" and even "obligated" to use force or the threat of force against businesses BECAUSE illegal immigrants are stealing taxpay Cameron B. Feb 2, 2013 9:47 AM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Preview not available Reinhard S. Feb 2, 2013 8:29 AM
Re: Phil and The FSP - Hey Phil, I signed up as a FSP david Feb 2, 2013 1:00 AM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available James R. Feb 1, 2013 11:47 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Preview not available Ken C. Feb 1, 2013 9:46 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Preview not available Ken C. Feb 1, 2013 9:20 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - It would do us all good to use the Socratic method in challenging what we believe to false. Mike At 06:02 PM 2/1/2013, you wrote: >Ken, > >Hitler had the HOMELAND, Stalin has the >MOTHERLAND, whad would you call your land? > >If you Ken are s Mike B. Feb 1, 2013 6:09 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Preview not available Terrence Feb 1, 2013 5:56 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - I told you not to use the collective "we" I was not invaded so please don't use the term "we" when addressing me. It appears you don't mind white, brown, black and asian Americans stealing your money but that the only problem is those who are ste Mike B. Feb 1, 2013 5:44 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - If we could only win the war on drugs. All we have to do is ramp it up. Socialism is great except when them damn foreigners get it. Mike At 03:56 PM 2/1/2013, you wrote: >The foreigners deserve blame for demanding and >taking the handouts. It t Mike B. Feb 1, 2013 5:24 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Preview not available Ken C. Feb 1, 2013 4:57 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Surely, folks, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Mexicans will prefer to stay home if the economy there prospers. Francis Feb 1, 2013 4:56 PM
RE: Amnesty attempt again!! - user 7. Feb 1, 2013 4:46 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Ken, that offer below was not from me but from Bastiat on Economic Sophisms. Immigration of course should be limited to those who have a sponsor or to those who have been invited by someone to come work or to visit or even to live as long as the Mike B. Feb 1, 2013 4:31 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Ken, you try to frame the argument in terms that are vague and nebulous. These terms like open borders, pro life and pro choice exclude so many other options. For instance we have "closed borders" especially in comparison to the 60's but do we r Mike B. Feb 1, 2013 4:25 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Preview not available Ken C. Feb 1, 2013 3:54 PM
RE: [ronpaul-93] RE: Amnesty attempt again and again - Preview not available i4freedom Feb 1, 2013 3:23 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - My design in this little volume is to refute some of the arguments that are urged against the Freedom of Trade. I do not propose to engage in a contest with the protectionists; but rather to instill a principle into the minds of those who hesitate be Mike B. Feb 1, 2013 3:12 PM
Re: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again!! - Leight, you can't have more liberty screaming for more control. Mike At 02:43 PM 2/1/2013, you wrote: >Dave, you have such a delicate way of putting >what I've been trying to explain. By the way, >it was in the local news this week that the Sa Mike B. Feb 1, 2013 2:54 PM

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