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Re: can't argue with a turkey. Re: [ronpaul-50] Thanksgiving Persuasion - a key to victory

From: Evan
Sent on: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:03 PM
I won't speak for everyone, but since you did address it to "you people" I'll respond for myself:

No, I don't get the gravity of the "NWO" situation you are paranoid about.

I'm just trying to get Ron Paul elected as president and found a lot of Avery's suggestions helpful.  Those that I didn't find helpful in my situation with my family, I will modify as I see fit. (As there is no way Avery could know each of our relationships with our respective families, the generalizing is understandable).

You're clearly not active in our meetup group, as it's a hell of a commute from Arkansas or wherever you are from (don't correct me if it's not Texas, I really don't care where you're from), but perhaps we are soooo dumb way out here on the east coast that you should write us off as a "lost cause" and focus on the billion or so other Ron Paul meetup groups you like to play mother-hen for.

Hopefully Ron will win in 08 and we will never have to share the space on the same mailing list ever again.  You wouldn't be bothered by our "stupidity" and I wouldn't be bothered by yours.

Evan




On Nov 24,[masked]:54 PM, Louis Charles <[address removed] > wrote:
Politics is usually taboo, so be polite and respectful. NEVER argue. You don't win votes by arguing. You entrench people in their positions by arguing.
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really?
 
and what experience in this realm do you have to evidence backing such proclamation, sir?  Perhaps you simply are not adept at debate, persuasion nor salesmanship.  How long have you been involved in politics, Avery Knapp?
 
I'm not saying that arguing works with everyone, but please be decent enough to admit that there are many people, whereas if you don't get into an argument over something which they are passionate about, you never get the chance to reach them -- you allow them to ignore something which might ultimately allow us to be jailed in a gulag or worse.
 
You people just don't get the gravity of the war we are in, do you?  ...nor the ruthlessness and prowess of our New World Order fascist/socialist adversaries, huh?
 
LC

"Avery J. Knapp Jr." < [address removed]> wrote:
1. Happy Thanksgiving! Thank your parents for your life and thank Ron for fighting for your freedom.

2. Thanksgiving Persuasion - a key to victory (detailed).
Most of us will be having Thanksgiving with family and friends.

Politics is usually taboo, so be polite and respectful. NEVER argue. You don't win votes by arguing. You entrench people in their positions by arguing.

The plan:

1. Choose slimjims that will appeal to each person. If they're a gun-person, give them a gun slimjim. If they're church-going Christian, print out Dr. Paul's statement of faith. Choose Republican or Democrat slimjim depending on your audience. Give them the slimjim after dinner and DON'T ARGUE.

2. Rules for persuasion:
a. be nice, polite, don't argue.
b. Fill their need (listen to what they want, then empathize). Don't give facts.
c. Recommend the candidate, and ask for their vote/support.
d. Say things that the person wants to hear (they're probably not involved in politics, don't care much about issues that you do [the Constitution, gold standard, NWO, ect.]. In other words, assume they're just an average Joe and don't know or care anything about politics. Speak in generalities, then tailor your message once you know how they stand. Ask what the 3 most important issues are to them individually, and address their need.


3. Subjects likely to come up
a. Oil/gas prices - talk about some economists think Oil would be $20 cheaper per barrel if we hadn't been in this mess in Iraq. Only one credible and consistent candidate who thinks its time to bring the troops home.
b. Healtcare - Dr. Paul is the only Doctor running, either Republican or Democrat.


Potential attacks:
1. "Ron Paul is crazy" - AGREE WITH THE PERSON! "Yes, he's a nut. Anyone who would opt out of lucrative Congressional Pension plan has got to be crazy. If I were in Congress, I would have taken advantage of the taxpayer and got the Congressional Pension. And Dr. Paul has never taken a taxpayer-paid congressional junket. His wife must think he's crazy too, and kick him, for not taking advantage of this like other members of congress do."

2. "___ is the most conservative candidate. " Yes, ____ is a conservative candidate, and I'm glad he's in the race. I'm just really glad that Dr. Paul never voted for pabortion funding[. Didn't _____ vote for [abortion funding] one time. This is where you need to know your facts about the other candidates.

3. "_____ has the only chance of winning." - Ron Paul is trading at 9% on intrade, a prediction market, and has better odds of winning than Fred Thompson and John McCain according to Vegas oddsmakers. And he is going up in the polls dramatically and the other candidates are going down. Plus, he raised a record $4.3 million in 24 hours. That's $3000 per minute.

4. "Ron Paul wants to desert our troops." Do you honestly think that a man who served his country in the Air Force, treated injured soldiers fighting for our country and freedoms in Congress for 30 years really wants to desert our troops? Ron Paul loves his military brothers, and is working to save their lives. He has also received more donations from the military than any other candidate

5. "Ron Paul blamed us for 9-11"
a. What Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaida did was evil and reprehensible and they are totally responsible. They should be caught and punished to the full extent of the law.
b. Ron Paul believes 100% in a strong national defense
c. Ron Paul also believes we can better defend our country by securing our borders here than securing Iraq's borders.


Things to avoid talking about (generally) - 9/11 truth, NWO, bilderburgers, gold standard,

Things to suggest if they're traditional Republican
1. Consistent Record
2. Traditional Republican Foreign Policy ( no nation building, no policing the world, running on the foreign policy that GWB had when he won the Presidency.)
3. Fiscal Conservative
4. Pro-life

Things to suggest if they're Democrat/Independent
1. Only candidate to bring the troops home (Hillary and Dems want to keep troops in Iraq indefinitely); good judgment to vote against Iraq War
2. Statements to differentiate Dr. Paul from Bush
3. Strong on Health Care, education, Habeus Corpus, 1st amendment

Even better yet, bring your laptop and show them one of these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA "A New Hope"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peBGJwE9NXo - Reagan Debate clips


If they like Dr. Paul, tell them about Dec. 16 and ask them to donate $10 or $20 or more today or on Dec. 16. Get their email address and follow up! And ask for their vote!




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