arguments among fellow citizens

From: Russ
Sent on: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:14 PM
So, Evan, you would deny the 1st Amendment so quickly?
Is Charles not entitled to express an opinion in this
group?  He makes a good point.  Perhaps he misunderstood
the advice we were given, but his point is a valid one and
if you don't respect that, you won't respect my opinion,
and that of others, and it is YOU who does not belong
to a group that is supposed to be fighting for individual
liberty.  Sorry that I've had to write this.

     Sincerely,
     Russ Mollot
     New York (would it matter if I were from elsewhere?)


--- Evan <[address removed]> wrote:

> I won't speak for everyone, but since you did address it
> to "you people"
> I'll respond for myself:
> 
> No, I don't get the gravity of the "NWO" situation you
> are paranoid about.
> 
> I'm just trying to get Ron Paul elected as president and
> found a lot of
> Avery's suggestions helpful.  Those that I didn't find
> helpful in my
> situation with my family, I will modify as I see fit. (As
> there is no way
> Avery could know each of our relationships with our
> respective families, the
> generalizing is understandable).
> 
> You're clearly not active in our meetup group, as it's a
> hell of a commute
> from Arkansas or wherever you are from (don't correct me
> if it's not Texas,
> I really don't care where you're from), but perhaps we
> are soooo dumb way
> out here on the east coast that you should write us off
> as a "lost cause"
> and focus on the billion or so other Ron Paul meetup
> groups you like to play
> mother-hen for.
> 
> Hopefully Ron will win in 08 and we will never have to
> share the space on
> the same mailing list ever again.  You wouldn't be
> bothered by our
> "stupidity" and I wouldn't be bothered by yours.
> 
> Evan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 24, 2007 5:54 PM, Louis Charles
> <[address removed]> wrote:
> 
> > Politics is usually taboo, s*o be polite and
> respectful*. NEVER argue. You
> > don't win votes by arguing. You entrench people in
> their positions by
> > arguing.
> > *************
> >
> > really?
> >
> > and what experience in this realm do you have to
> evidence backing such
> > proclamation, sir?  Perhaps you simply are not adept at
> debate, persuasion
> > nor salesmanship.  How long have you been involved in
> politics, Avery Knapp?
> >
> > I'm not saying that arguing works with everyone, but
> please be decent
> > enough to admit that there are many people, whereas if
> you don't get into an
> > argument over something which they are passionate
> about, you never get the
> > chance to reach them -- you allow them to ignore
> something which might
> > ultimately allow us to be jailed in a gulag or worse.
> >
> > You people just don't get the gravity of the war we are
> in, do you?
> > ...nor the ruthlessness and prowess of our New World
> Order fascist/socialist
> > adversaries, huh?
> >
> > LC
> >
> > *"Avery J. Knapp Jr." <[address removed]>* wrote:
> >
> > 1. Happy Thanksgiving! Thank your parents for your life
> and thank Ron for
> > fighting for your freedom.
> >
> > 2. Thanksgiving Persuasion - a key to victory
> (detailed).
> > Most of us will be having Thanksgiving with family and
> friends.
> >
> > Politics is usually taboo, s*o be polite and
> respectful*. NEVER argue. You
> > don't win votes by arguing. You entrench people in
> their positions by
> > arguing.
> >
> > The plan:
> >
> > 1. Choose slimjims that will appeal to each person. If
> they're a
> > gun-person, give them a gun slimjim. If they're
> church-going Christian,
> > print out Dr. Paul's statement of faith. Choose
> Republican or Democrat
> > slimjim depending on your audience. Give them the
> slimjim after dinner and
> > DON'T ARGUE.
> >
> > 2. Rules for persuasion:
> > a. be nice, polite, don't argue.
> > b. Fill their need (listen to what they want, then
> empathize). Don't give
> > facts.
> > c. Recommend the candidate, and ask for their
> vote/support.
> > d. Say things that the person wants to hear (they're
> probably not involved
> > in politics, don't care much about issues that you do
> [the Constitution,
> > gold standard, NWO, ect.]. In other words, assume
> they're just an average
> > Joe and don't know or care anything about politics.
> Speak in generalities,
> > then tailor your message once you know how they stand.
> Ask what the 3 most
> > important issues are to them individually, and address
> their need.
> >
> >
> > 3. Subjects likely to come up
> > a. Oil/gas prices - talk about some economists think
> Oil would be $20
> > cheaper per barrel if we hadn't been in this mess in
> Iraq. Only one credible
> > and consistent candidate who thinks its time to bring
> the troops home.
> > b. Healtcare - Dr. Paul is the only Doctor running,
> either Republican or
> > Democrat.
> >
> >
> > Potential attacks:
> > 1. "Ron Paul is crazy" - AGREE WITH THE PERSON! "Yes,
> he's a nut. Anyone
> > who would opt out of lucrative Congressional Pension
> plan has got to be
> > crazy. If I were in Congress, I would have taken
> advantage of the taxpayer
> > and got the Congressional Pension. And Dr. Paul has
> never taken a
> > taxpayer-paid congressional junket. His wife must think
> he's crazy too, and
> > kick him, for not taking advantage of this like other
> members of congress
> > do."
> >
> > 2. "___ is the most conservative candidate. " Yes, ____
> is a conservative
> > candidate, and I'm glad he's in the race. I'm just
> really glad that Dr. Paul
> > never voted for pabortion funding[. Didn't _____ vote
> for [abortion funding]
> > one time. This is where you need to know your facts
> about the other
> > candidates.
> >
> > 3. "_____ has the only chance of winning." - Ron Paul
> is trading at 9% on
> > intrade, a prediction market, and has better odds of
> winning than Fred
> > Thompson and John McCain according to Vegas oddsmakers.
> And he is going up
> > in the polls dramatically and the other candidates are
> going down. Plus, he
> > raised a record $4.3 million in 24 hours. That's $3000
> per minute.
> >
> > 4. "Ron Paul wants to desert our troops." Do you
> honestly think that a man
> > who served his country in the Air Force, treated
> injured soldiers fighting
> > for our country and freedoms in Congress for 30 years
> really wants to desert
> > our troops? Ron Paul loves his military brothers, and
> is working to save
> > their lives. He has also received more donations from
> the military than any
> > other candidate
> >
> > 5. "Ron Paul blamed us for 9-11"
> > a. What Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaida did was evil and
> reprehensible and
> > they are totally responsible. They should be caught and
> punished to the full
> > extent of the law.
> > b. Ron Paul believes 100% in a strong national defense
> > c. Ron Paul also believes we can better defend our
> country by securing our
> > borders here than securing Iraq's borders.
> >
> >
> > Things to avoid talking about (generally) - 9/11 truth,
> NWO,
> > bilderburgers, gold standard,
> >
> > Things to suggest if they're traditional Republican
> > 1. Consistent Record
> > 2. Traditional Republican Foreign Policy ( no nation
> building, no policing
> > the world, running on the foreign policy that GWB had
> when he won the
> > Presidency.)
> > 3. Fiscal Conservative
> > 4. Pro-life
> >
> > Things to suggest if they're Democrat/Independent­
> > 1. Only candidate to bring the troops home (Hillary and
> Dems want to keep
> > troops in Iraq indefinitely); good judgment to vote
> against Iraq War
> > 2. Statements to differentiate Dr. Paul from Bush
> > 3. Strong on Health Care, education, Habeus Corpus, 1st
> amendment
> >
> > Even better yet, bring your laptop and show them one of
> these videos:
> > http://www.youtub...­ "A New Hope"
> > http://www.youtub...­ - Reagan
> Debate clips
> >
> >
> > If they like Dr. Paul, tell them about Dec. 16 and ask
> them to donate $10
> > or $20 or more today or on Dec. 16. Get their email
> address and follow up!
> > And ask for their vote!
> >
> >
> >
> >
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