Re: can't argue with a turkey. Re: [ronpaul-50] Thanksgiving Persuasion - a key to victory

From: Dave D.
Sent on: Saturday, December 1, 2007 1:32 PM
I'm sorry, I meant to send this only to Casey.

On Dec 1,[masked]:31 PM, dave doctor <[address removed]> wrote:
Hi Casey,

I believe most people agree with your statement below, but feel other issues are more attractive to the average voter (at this time). I recently read a great book by Michael Badnarik called It's good to be king . In his list of book recommendations, he cautions people to read some books before others, since some books are quite provocative. Similarly, we cannot throw the entire truth at our audience yet. We must give it to them in installments. Telling someone they are a slave is like telling them they are adopted. It's quite startling.

This message seems relevant to only the meetup organizers. Why are you sending this message to the entire meetup group?

Kind regards,

Dave


On Nov 30,[masked]:54 AM, Casey E Holland < [address removed]> wrote:
I will be VERY upfront.  I have not been active lately
because I'm sick and tired of being ridiculed for
spending the time to better educate myself than others
have.  I feel like I am the black sheep in the bunch
and that is not what this campaign started off being.

HERE are the links where Ron links the NWO, CFR, and
Trilateral Commission.

This isn't a theory.  READ the CFR site. They want to
reduce humanity by half?!? HOW THE FUCK DO YOU WIPE
OUT 3 BILLION PEOPLE?  AIDS or forced "vaccinations" ?
 Or do we just allow our drug companies to rape Africa
and deny them meds that they can't afford?

You call yourself educated but you can't take the time
to look into this because of EGO and not wanting to
admit you were fooled or worse, WRONG.  Ron is about
freedom. THAT MEANS TRUTH.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=90&contentid=1659

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2030632437

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo




--- Louis Charles <[address removed]> wrote:


---------------------------------
Politics is usually taboo, so be polite and
respectful. NEVER argue. You don't win votes by
arguing. You entrench people in their positions by
arguing.
 *************

 really?

 and what experience in this realm do you have to
evidence backing such proclamation, sir?  Perhaps you
simply are not adept at debate, persuasion nor
salesmanship.  How long have you been involved in
politics, Avery Knapp?

 I'm not saying that arguing works with everyone, but
please be decent enough to admit that there are many
people, whereas if you don't get into an argument over
something which they are passionate about, you never
get the chance to reach them -- you allow them to
ignore something which might ultimately allow us to be
jailed in a gulag or worse.

 You people just don't get the gravity of the war we
are in, do you?  ...nor the ruthlessness and prowess
of our New World Order fascist/socialist adversaries,
huh?

 LC

"Avery J. Knapp Jr." <[address removed]> wrote:
 1. Happy Thanksgiving! Thank your parents for your
life and thank Ron for fighting for your freedom.

2. Thanksgiving Persuasion - a key to victory
(detailed).
Most of us will be having Thanksgiving with family and
friends.

Politics is usually taboo, so be polite and
respectful. NEVER argue. You don't win votes by
arguing. You entrench people in their positions by
arguing.

The plan:

1. Choose slimjims that will appeal to each person. If
they're a gun-person, give them a gun slimjim. If
they're church-going Christian, print out Dr. Paul's
statement of faith. Choose Republican or Democrat
slimjim depending on your audience. Give them the
slimjim after dinner and DON'T ARGUE.

2. Rules for persuasion:
a. be nice, polite, don't argue.
b. Fill their need (listen to what they want, then
empathize). Don't give facts.
c. Recommend the candidate, and ask for their
vote/support.
d. Say things that the person wants to hear (they're
probably not involved in politics, don't care much
about issues that you do [the Constitution, gold
standard, NWO, ect.]. In other words, assume they're
just an average Joe and don't know or care anything
about politics. Speak in generalities, then tailor
your message once you know how they stand. Ask what
the 3 most important issues are to them individually,
and address their need.


3. Subjects likely to come up
a. Oil/gas prices - talk about some economists think
Oil would be $20 cheaper per barrel if we hadn't been
in this mess in Iraq. Only one credible and consistent
candidate who thinks its time to bring the troops
home.
b. Healtcare - Dr. Paul is the only Doctor running,
either Republican or Democrat.


Potential attacks:
1. "Ron Paul is crazy" - AGREE WITH THE PERSON! "Yes,
he's a nut. Anyone who would opt out of lucrative
Congressional Pension plan has got to be crazy. If I
were in Congress, I would have taken advantage of the
taxpayer and got the Congressional Pension. And Dr.
Paul has never taken a taxpayer-paid congressional
junket. His wife must think he's crazy too, and kick
him, for not taking advantage of this like other
members of congress do."

2. "___ is the most conservative candidate. " Yes,
____ is a conservative candidate, and I'm glad he's in
the race. I'm just really glad that Dr. Paul never
voted for pabortion funding[. Didn't _____ vote for
[abortion funding] one time. This is where you need to
know your facts about the other candidates.

3. "_____ has the only chance of winning." - Ron Paul
is trading at 9% on intrade, a prediction market, and
has better odds of winning than Fred Thompson and John
McCain according to Vegas oddsmakers. And he is going
up in the polls dramatically and the other candidates
are going down. Plus, he raised a record $4.3 million
in 24 hours. That's $3000 per minute.

4. "Ron Paul wants to desert our troops." Do you
honestly think that a man who served his country in
the Air Force, treated injured soldiers fighting for
our country and freedoms in Congress for 30 years
really wants to desert our troops? Ron Paul loves his
military brothers, and is working to save their lives.
He has also received more donations from the military
than any other candidate

5. "Ron Paul blamed us for 9-11"
a. What Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaida did was evil and
reprehensible and they are totally responsible. They
should be caught and punished to the full extent of
the law.
b. Ron Paul believes 100% in a strong national defense
c. Ron Paul also believes we can better defend our
country by securing our borders here than securing
Iraq's borders.


Things to avoid talking about (generally) - 9/11
truth, NWO, bilderburgers, gold standard,

Things to suggest if they're traditional Republican
1. Consistent Record
2. Traditional Republican Foreign Policy ( no nation
building, no policing the world, running on the
foreign policy that GWB had when he won the
Presidency.)
3. Fiscal Conservative
4. Pro-life

Things to suggest if they're Democrat/Independent
1. Only candidate to bring the troops home (Hillary
and Dems want to keep troops in Iraq indefinitely);
good judgment to vote against Iraq War
2. Statements to differentiate Dr. Paul from Bush
3. Strong on Health Care, education, Habeus Corpus,
1st amendment

Even better yet, bring your laptop and show them one
of these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA "A New
Hope"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peBGJwE9NXo - Reagan
Debate clips


If they like Dr. Paul, tell them about Dec. 16 and ask
them to donate $10 or $20 or more today or on Dec. 16.
Get their email address and follow up! And ask for
their vote!




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