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Day of the Doctor in 3D - Just wanted to let our members know that if you wanted to see the Doctor Who 50th in 3D you still can. My fellow organizer of the movie group Caley Ann Kleczka has put it up on the movie meetup site. Here is the link to signup. http://www.meetu Debra C. Nov 16, 2013 2:48 PM
Doctor Who 50th anni episode on Big Screen - Just saw on Facebook that the Doctor Who 50th Anniversary episode is being extended to Monday Nov. 25 and will be shown here in Milwaukee at the Brookfield Majestic and AMC 18. Here is the website if you are interested in getting tickets. http://www.fa Debra C. Nov 13, 2013 5:56 PM
RE: [scifi-289] Iron Man 3 Viewing and Discussion - We are currently only at 4 with a possibility of 1 more so plenty of room as of now. :) Jenny Hembrook ------------------------------­-------------- On Thu, 10/10/13, Joey wrote: Subject: RE: [scifi-289] Iron Man 3 Viewing and D Jennifer H. Oct 10, 2013 10:48 AM
Re: [scifi-289] Iron Man 3 Viewing and Discussion - Hello!! I actually have a Halloween shindig to be at....But let me know if you guys to this again.  Sounds like fun! On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:15 PM, De Vanessa Oct 10, 2013 9:58 AM
Re: [scifi-289] Iron Man 3 Viewing and Discussion - Thank you Debra!  I have some out-of-town guests visiting but if they leave timely on Sunday then I'll try and make it out. ~Dmitry Dmitry K. Oct 10, 2013 9:15 AM
Iron Man 3 Viewing and Discussion - Hi, My name is Debra Cook and I am one of the new organizers of the Milwaukee Fictioneers. I just wanted to write and let you know of an event happening on Sunday at a fellow Fictioneers house. We will be watching and Discussing Iron Man 3 at J Debra C. Oct 9, 2013 11:15 PM
NEW MEETING LOCATION COMNG - ATTENTION  ATTENTION  ATTENTION A new location for the November meet-up coming soon! Kyym K. Oct 6, 2013 5:33 PM
Agents of SHIELD Viewing Party - Hello Fellow Fictioneers, It's short notice, but there's a new Fictioneers meetup posted, a viewing party for the new Mar Rachel P Sep 20, 2013 7:48 AM
Meetup details changed: Milwaukee's Fictioneers: A Sci-Fi/Fantasy Meetup Group Monthly Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/scifi-28­9/events/117216042/ When : Wednesday, June 5,[masked]:00 PM Kyym K. May 23, 2013 9:08 PM
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Sci Fi on Facebook - Hello Fictioneers! I've really enjoyed coming to the meetups and talking science fiction with other fans. I ha Rachel P Jun 19, 2012 3:16 PM
Late for tonight's meeting - I plan to attend, but I will arrive late, as I need to assist a relative. Brian the G. Sep 7, 2011 5:06 PM
Meetup details changed: Milwaukee's Fictioneers: A Sci-Fi/Fantasy Meetup Group Monthly Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/scifi-28­9/events/27384811/ When : Wednesday, September 7,[masked]:00 PM Kyym K. Aug 11, 2011 6:55 PM
Meetup details changed: Milwaukee's Fictioneers: A Sci-Fi/Fantasy Meetup Group Monthly Meetup - This is a reminder that the January meeting has been moved back a week due to my being out of town. I hope it does not cause too much confusion. -- Brian (The Geek) --- I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: Brian the G. Dec 26, 2010 12:33 AM
Re: [scifi-289] Meetup details changed: Milwaukee's Fictioneers: A Sci-Fi/Fantasy Meetup Group Monthly Meetup - It just occurred to me that I Brian the G. Dec 19, 2010 2:25 AM
Meetup details changed: Milwaukee's Fictioneers: A Sci-Fi/Fantasy Meetup Group Monthly Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/scifi-28­9/calendar/15762176/ When : Wednesday, January 5,[masked]:00 PM Kyym K. Dec 18, 2010 2:02 PM
Re: [scifi-289] Narnia Movie Viewing - I'd go for 1 or both. user 5. Dec 3, 2010 8:15 AM
Re: [scifi-289] Narnia Movie Viewing - Hi! I'd love to but this weekend is already maxed out with church & family stuff. Have a great time! Susan/Sam On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Brian the Geek wrote: > Anyone interested in getting together to watch the first two Narnia movies Susan R. Dec 3, 2010 7:06 AM
Re: [scifi-289] Narnia Movie Viewing - I would go for the newest one. Mike Mike Dec 2, 2010 8:07 PM
Narnia Movie Viewing - Anyone interested in getting together to watch the first two Narnia movies on Saturday evening? Let me know, as there is limited space. Brian --- Brian the G. Dec 2, 2010 8:05 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Upcomming Harry Potter Movie - Hi! I'm familiar with both the Times and the Rosebud. Roughly the front 1/3 of the Times theater seats Susan R. Oct 25, 2010 7:50 AM
Re: [scifi-289] The Upcomming Harry Potter Movie - On Oct 24, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Brian the Geek wrote: > Never been to the Times, so I am unaware. I just find the seating at the Rosebud to be comfortable. You wish to suggest alternatives, or just vent over the current suggestion? The man intent was arlen Oct 25, 2010 12:13 AM
Re: [scifi-289] The Upcomming Harry Potter Movie - Never been to the Times, so I am unaware. I just find the seating at the Rosebud to be comfortable. You wish to suggest alternatives, or just vent over the current suggestion? Brian --- On 10/24/2010 2:24 PM, arlen wrote: > On Oct 24, 2010, Brian the G. Oct 24, 2010 9:33 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Upcomming Harry Potter Movie - Fairly new to the area, so I don't know the background...would it cause an uproar if I asked what you were referring to? Moira ----- Original Message ---- From: arlen To: [address removed] Sent: Sun, October 24, 2 Moira Oct 24, 2010 2:53 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Upcomming Harry Potter Movie - On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Brian the Geek wrote: > According to the Rosebud Web Site (which is not always to be believed), The Rosebud will have the new Harry Potter Movie on November 19th. This would be my preferred venue, but at the very least, w arlen Oct 24, 2010 2:24 PM
The Upcomming Harry Potter Movie - For those of you who are not subscribed to the message boards, I thought I would toss a message out there that I have opened a new thread to discuss seeing the new Harry Potter movie. I am pasting in my message below. If you are interested, I suggest you Brian the G. Oct 24, 2010 1:27 PM
New Meetup: Movie Outing - 'Percy Jackson: Lightning Thief' - Announcing a new Meetup for Milwaukee's Fictioneers: A Sci-Fi/Fantasy Meetup Group! What: Movie Outing - 'Percy Jackson: Lightning Thief' When: Friday, February 19,[masked]:15 PM Where: Marcus Majestic Cinema 770 Brian the G. Feb 18, 2010 3:10 PM
Meetup details changed: Milwaukee's Fictioneers: A Sci-Fi/Fantasy February Meetup - I did not get any feedback on the request to change the date, other than from Kyym, who indicated he could make it either way. Therefore I have moved the meeting back by a week. I hope this does not interfere with anyone else's plans. I've upda Brian the G. Jan 25, 2010 7:25 PM
Feburary Meeting - It appears I may have a conflict with the normal date for the February meeting. If the group wishes to meet on the 3rd without me. That is fine. Otherwise perhaps we can reschedule for the following Wednesday, the 10th. Reply with your thought Brian the G. Jan 18, 2010 10:26 AM
RE: [scifi-289] December Meet-up topic - Hi All, I know this is rather late notice, but I'm writing to let user 6. Dec 2, 2009 2:46 PM
December Meet-up topic - Fellow Fictioneers Let's talk about the Science Fiction related films coming in 2010. Some look fascinating some look bizarre, share your thoughts or just come to discover what's in future on the big screen. Kyym Kyym K. Nov 25, 2009 5:54 PM
RE: [scifi-289] Melting Ice Caps Expose Hundreds Of Secret Arctic Lairs - don Sep 18, 2009 11:15 AM
Melting Ice Caps Expose Hundreds Of Secret Arctic Lairs - don Sep 18, 2009 11:14 AM
Re: Meetup Message from Jacquie: August 5th meet - We generally gather in the coffee shop. It has it's own entrance to the right of the main doors. The meeting normally runs until about 9pm or so. Brian (TheGeek) ---=- > Jacquie sent you this message from Milwaukee's Fictioneers: A > Sci-Fi/Fanta Brian the G. Aug 4, 2009 4:58 PM
Re: [scifi-289] Transformers Movie - There may be (hopefully will be) a fannish wake being held this weekend (most likely Saturday, if it happens at all) for longtime Milwaukee fan Lisa Mason, who lost her battle with cancer last Wednesday (I posted a note in the meetup forum).? It Xheralt Jun 25, 2009 9:55 PM
Re: [scifi-289] Transformers Movie - Preview not available Brian the G. Jun 23, 2009 12:21 PM
RE: [scifi-289] Transformers Movie - Preview not available user 6. Jun 20, 2009 6:26 PM
RE: [scifi-289] Transformers Movie - Preview not available user 6. Jun 20, 2009 9:03 AM
Re: [scifi-289] Transformers Movie - I am in for the 27th, but will be attending a wedding on the 20th. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Brian the Geek <[address removed]> To: [address removed] S Bryan Jun 17, 2009 10:45 AM
Transformers Movie - I am tempted to have a small gathering at a private residence to watch the first of the Transformers movies. I would be doing this Saturday evening (the 20th). If you are interested, let me know. I do not have a lot of room, so I am not sure if ever Brian the G. Jun 17, 2009 10:36 AM
My Dragon T shirt... - For those of you who have admired / desired my Dragon T shirt.... MidniteMikey Jun 11, 2009 3:51 PM
Meetup details changed: Milwaukee's Fictioneers: A Sci-Fi/Fantasy June Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://scifi.meetup.com/289/ca­lendar/10356954/ When: June 3,[masked]:00 PM Where: Borders Books & Brian the G. May 21, 2009 12:15 PM
Re: [scifi-289] Night at the Museum 2 - This weekend is a minefield for me, with the holiday. I am not sure how many of you want to go this weekend, vs. next weekend. The advantage to this weekend is that it is playing at the Rosebud. If we are to see it this weekend, Sunday looks like t Brian the G. May 21, 2009 9:46 AM
Re: [scifi-289] Night at the Museum 2 - Kyym K. May 20, 2009 2:26 PM
RE: [scifi-289] Night at the Museum 2 - I'm in. -----Original Message----- From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Brian the Geek Sent: Wednesday, May 20,[masked]:51 AM To: [address removed] Subject: [scifi-289] Night at the Museum 2 How many of you don May 20, 2009 11:12 AM
Re: [scifi-289] Night at the Museum 2 - I haven't even seen the first one, although I heard it was pretty good. I might be up for the second one if I can get my hands on the first one before it comes out. Netflix ho! Sharon On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1 user 3. May 20, 2009 11:10 AM
RE: [scifi-289] Night at the Museum 2 - I'd be up for it. -----Original Message----- From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Brian the Geek Sent: Wednesday, May 20,[masked]:51 AM To: [address removed] Subject: [scifi-289] Night at the Museum 2 How man Jeff May 20, 2009 11:08 AM
Night at the Museum 2 - How many of you are interested in seeing Night at the Museum 2? It opens soon, and was wondering if anyone wanted to see it as a group. Brian Brian the G. May 20, 2009 10:50 AM
Re: [scifi-289] New Meetup: Star Trek Movie - Sorry I'll miss the get together guys but here's a funny piece from the notorious Onion ... Anya B. May 8, 2009 10:39 AM
Re: [scifi-289] New Meetup: Star Trek Movie - This was discussed at the meeting on Wednesday, and since there has not been a lot of activity on the list indicating a preference, the group selected Friday night. If other days / times work better for you, please be sure to indicate that in the fu Brian the G. May 8, 2009 9:54 AM
RE: [scifi-289] New Meetup: Star Trek Movie - Why is it sceduled on a Friday night? Wouldn't a Saturday or Sunday afternoon be cheaper and better Gabriel Gabriel May 7, 2009 11:55 AM
New Meetup: Star Trek Movie - Announcing a new Meetup for Milwaukee's Fictioneers: A Sci-Fi/Fantasy Meetup Group! What: Star Trek Movie When: May 8,[masked]:00 PM Where: Showtime Cinema 8910 S. 102nd St. (just West of Hwy 100 on Loomis R Brian the G. May 7, 2009 9:35 AM
New Meetup: Star Trek Movie - Announcing a new Meetup for Milwaukee's Fictioneers: A Sci-Fi/Fantasy Meetup Group! What: Star Trek Movie When: May 8,[masked]:00 PM Where: (A location has not been chosen yet.) Meetup Description: We have a week Brian the G. Apr 30, 2009 10:32 PM
Friday Movie (X-Men) - Friday is the release of the new X-Men movie, so I have posted an event to go to the Rosebud Theater to see it. It is showing at 7pm, and at 945pm. I am leaning toward the 945pm showing, as I might be able to get another person to join me if it is t Brian the G. Apr 27, 2009 10:38 AM
New Meetup: X-Men Origins: Wolverine @ the Rosebud - I've Added this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://scifi.meetup.com/289/ca­lendar/10276435/ When: May 1,[masked]:00 PM Where: Rosebud Cinema Drafthou Brian the G. Apr 27, 2009 10:29 AM
CAUTION ALERT - Preview not available MidniteMikey Feb 1, 2009 2:40 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - You are just all bowling all the time aren't you? See you Friday --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Amy W Dec 12, 2008 10:49 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - Well, this got a lot more interesting.. I guess the movie at the Rosebud is off, because the Rosebud changed what movie they are showing Friday! I just got a call from a friend that might have wanted to go, and they informed me that the Rosebud ha Brian the G. Dec 10, 2008 11:25 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - I was looking forward to it being on a Friday- I get off earlier and so can have more driving time. Even if the movie isn't the greatest- it would still be fun. On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Brian the Geek Lorien Dec 10, 2008 3:17 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - I'm interested, just can't afford the cost of a movie right now *pout*. I'm really looking forward to seeing it when I can, hippified or not. If you ask my friend they say I'm a big Indian hippy anyways :P Moondancer D. Dec 10, 2008 2:52 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - Kyym K. Dec 10, 2008 2:51 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - user 5. Dec 10, 2008 2:37 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - I am still not seeing much response from those who are interested. I was really hoping for more activity on this. Kym, if you check your messages today, can you get me a count of how many were planning to come with you? It is getting late in the we Brian the G. Dec 10, 2008 11:02 AM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - user 5. Dec 9, 2008 1:26 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - Mike Dec 9, 2008 1:17 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - On Dec 9, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Mike wrote: > Any chance this movie is worthwhile? Mike Depends. If green politics offends you, probably not. If you liked the first movie, probably not. If you like the idea of aliens-acting-as-parents, you arlen Dec 9, 2008 12:01 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - Mike Dec 9, 2008 10:27 AM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - So far, I think I have two that have responded that they are interested in the movie. I know not everyone checks the mail every day, so I will keep updating this as I get responses. Kym, how many are coming with you? Are there four total in your gro Brian the G. Dec 8, 2008 5:23 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Mood of Modern SciFi (Was: The Day the Earth Stood Still) - Kyym K. Dec 8, 2008 1:53 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Mood of Modern SciFi (Was: The Day the Earth Stood Still) - In the original movie, it was more about the cold war, and it was a background to the overall movie. I was more interested on our visitor, and his experiences here. The 'visitor' was a peaceful being, the only violence really being from his robot, a Brian the G. Dec 8, 2008 12:23 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - Brian, I'm sure your exhaust fumes on the way to the theater will more than make up for a little hippie subtext. Besides, I don't understand how you could have missed the same subtext in the original version. > Okay, I just saw an extended preview Tom R. Dec 8, 2008 9:21 AM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - Okay, I just saw an extended preview of the movie and I am almost disgusted. I was thinking I could deal with a little "Earth Hugging", but it looks like this movie may be a little over the top. How many are actually interested in going. At this m Brian the G. Dec 7, 2008 9:55 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - Sorry, just found out that I won't be able to make it after all, have fun everyone that's going On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Brian the Geek < Meetup@a Jeff Dec 3, 2008 1:12 AM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - On Dec 1, 2008, at 1:06 AM, Kyym Kimpel wrote: > This sounds like a great idea, as well as as a good group event. I > for one am looking forward to it as well as maybe meeting some of > our members who have been unable to attend regular meeting arlen Dec 2, 2008 7:45 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - I am concerned about the same thing, but I will go anyway, just to see how bad they make it. :-) Brian ----- mark faby wrote: > Maybe - > > Im not decided on whether I want to see a 'liberal/Mother Earth is > your home' remake of a darned Brian the G. Dec 2, 2008 12:11 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - This sounds like a great idea, as well as as a good group event. I for one am looking forward to it as well as maybe meeting some of our members who have been unable to attend regular meetings. Kyym -----Original Message----- Kyym K. Dec 1, 2008 1:06 AM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - Mike Nov 29, 2008 6:18 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - I'm interested! It would be great fun to go somewhere after and talk about it too. Movie and dessert? On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Brian the Geek < Meetup@ Lorien Nov 29, 2008 4:11 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - user 5. Nov 29, 2008 1:51 PM
Re: [scifi-289] The Day the Earth Stood Still - I'm interested. On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Brian the Geek < [address removed] > wrote: Xheralt Nov 28, 2008 10:46 PM
The Day the Earth Stood Still - The release of the remake of 'The Day The Earth Stood Still' is approaching quickly. Would anyone be interested in getting together on opening night at the Rosebud Theater on Wauwatosa? Opening night is Friday, December 12. I am guessing that there Brian the G. Nov 28, 2008 12:24 PM
Yahoo! News Story - The 5 Most Scientifically Plausible Sci-Fi Movies - Yahoo! News - Preview not available Anya B. Nov 7, 2008 12:47 PM
Meetup details Updated: Milwaukee's Fictioneers: A Sci-Fi/Fantasy November Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://scifi.meetup.com/289/ca­lendar/8926768/ When: November 5,[masked]:00 PM Where: Borders Books & Brian the G. Oct 21, 2008 11:49 AM
This is getting crazy! - Okay, I really hope you will not all revolt on me with this bit of news.. As you all are already aware, I am being sent out of town this week for work. The meeting was bumped back a week to accommodate my schedule. I was very grateful. Now, I Brian the G. Sep 29, 2008 3:18 PM
Re: [scifi-289] Meetup details changed: Milwaukee's Fictioneers: A Sci-Fi/Fan... - Shane Sep 18, 2008 11:30 PM
Re: [scifi-289] Meetup details changed: Milwaukee's Fictioneers: A Sci-Fi/Fan... - Mike Sep 18, 2008 6:31 PM
Meetup details changed: Milwaukee's Fictioneers: A Sci-Fi/Fantasy October Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://scifi.meetup.com/289/ca­lendar/8683902/ When: October 8,[masked]:00 PM Where: Borders Books & Brian the G. Sep 18, 2008 4:52 PM
Re: [scifi-289] Oct 1st. Meeting - When? 7:00PM on Wednesday, 8 October 2008 Where? In the cafe of Borders Books & Music 5250 S 76th St. Greendale, WI 53129 [masked] http://maps.google.com/maps?f=­q&hl=en&geocode=&q=5250+S+76th­+St.++Greendale,+WI+53129++&sl­l=37.0625,-95.67706 Shane Sep 17, 2008 9:54 PM
Re: [scifi-289] Oct 1st. Meeting - Thanks! Just let me know when and where. :o) On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Shane < [address removed] Lorien Sep 17, 2008 8:03 PM
Re: [scifi-289] Oct 1st. Meeting - Kyym K. Sep 17, 2008 1:29 PM
Re: [scifi-289] Oct 1st. Meeting - Lori The meeting is not normally on a Monday. The schedule is for it to be the first Wednesday of the month ... Oct 1st, Nov 5th, Dec. 3rd, Jan 7th etc... Brian I would be good with Wednesday October 8th. Sha Shane Sep 17, 2008 11:25 AM
Re: [scifi-289] Oct 1st. Meeting - I can't do Mondays. Are meetings always on Mondays? On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 12:55 AM, Xheralt < [address removed] > wrote: Lorien Sep 16, 2008 7:53 PM
Re: [scifi-289] Oct 1st. Meeting - That sound fine by me. I can't make the October 1st meeting either. --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Brian the Geek <[address removed]> Gabriel Sep 16, 2008 4:35 PM
Re: [scifi-289] Oct 1st. Meeting - I'm fine with it. On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Brian the Geek < [address removed] > wrote: Xheralt Sep 16, 2008 12:55 AM
Oct 1st. Meeting - I was just looking at my calendar and it fully occurred to me that this meeting is on the 1st. I am to be out of town on business that week, and was wondering what everyone would think about moving the October meeting back by a week? Make it the 8th inste Brian the G. Sep 15, 2008 9:02 AM
Meetup details changed: Milwaukee's Fictioneers: A Sci-Fi/Fantasy September Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://scifi.meetup.com/289/ca­lendar/8493562/ When: September 3,[masked]:00 PM Where: Borders Books &am Brian the G. Aug 21, 2008 12:41 PM
Re: [scifi-289] Status Update - Miss you. I may be interested in bowling meet up on Friday. I also seem t Amy W Jul 15, 2008 10:02 PM
Status Update - Hello fellow SciFi friends, I really wish I could participate more right now, but as you already know, I am stuck in school. The good news is that I am half way through. I have also finished the time-intensive class, and therefore might be availa Brian the G. Jul 15, 2008 12:48 PM
Broken E-Mail - I just realized that Meetup had stopped sending me e-mails since June 6th. If anyone has been trying to contact me via the site, I apologize for not responding, since I did not get the messages. The problem has been fixed now. An update on myself, I Brian the G. Jun 24, 2008 8:51 AM
Re: [scifi-289] Friday Night Bowling - Ah. Very good question! If I remember correctly, the price is 3.25 a game. As to dinner, I do not know the prices, as we are trying someplace we have not been yet. I imagine it is similar to other non-buffet Chinese. Brian the Geek ---------- Brian the G. Jun 4, 2008 12:42 PM

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