Re: [semweb-26] Global Semantic Web Meetup Meshup

From: Marco N.
Sent on: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:35 PM
Welcome Deb,

James Hendler is actually a member of the New York Semantic Web Meetup
:-). It sounds like with your experience you could give a presentation
to this group.


Best,
Marco

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Deb Stockdale <[address removed]> wrote:
> I am new to the area having moved here from DC where I was using
> (implemented in multiple organizations) semantic web solutions for the
> US Intelligence community.  I had the pleasure of working with Dr.
> James Hendler (father of the semantic web) and am looking for a
> community who embraces the practical usage of semantic web and brings
> true value to business and customers.
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> Technologically we were using parsing tools, triplet builders,
> canonical xml, RDF, Owl, ontology's with inference engines and
> artificial intelligence to "learn" the usage patterns and contextual
> needs of users.  What a difference it made when users could simply ask
> a question and get an answer, rather than having to perform "data
> archeology".
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> There are so many areas which can grow and benefit from semantic web,
> for example Google search, that I look forward to learning about the
> local opportunities from the group.
>
> Thank you and I look forward to meeting everyone at the next meeting.
>
> Deb Stockdale
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> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Randall Reetz <[address removed]> wrote:
>> That is the oposite of what i am saying.  How are the "business aspects" of any emerging industry served by not building a deep understanding or all of the factors effecting the shape of a new paradigm?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Peter Berger" <[address removed]>
>> To: [address removed]
>> Sent: 10/22/2008 4:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [semweb-26] Global Semantic Web Meetup Meshup
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I am very pleased at the discussion and the sincere search for the
>> meaning of what we are doing.  First, I agree with Randall that we
>> should not be is another wine tasting organization, they have other
>> meetups for that. Second, I disagree with Randall about the need to be
>> divorced from the business aspects of the industry, which he did not
>> state directly but can be inferred from his comments.  What this meetup
>> is trying to do is bridge between the purely academic study of "what is
>> semantic" and the use of the "semantic" title to sell product that may
>> or may not be considered semantic.  The undercurrent of all our last
>> three meetups has been, what applications are laying a semantic
>> infrastructure (RDF, NLP Trees, OWL ontologies, OBO, etc.) or are good
>> repositories of this data and the ways in which people have been
>> leveraging those foundations or their own technology to do something
>> useful. I feel this is a small step in the right direction.
>>
>> I whole heartedly agree that many application out there called semantic
>> are not totally semantic. Nor is the web, on a deep infrastructure
>> level, becoming semantic in an extremely rapid fashion. However, the
>> form of anything never fully fits the definition in real time, only in
>> historical perspective. As a community, academics, corporations and, at
>> times, semantic meetups, are trying to make the web more laced with
>> meaning.  Does this mean that we are adding link information to a
>> non-semantic foundation, today, yes.  In the future, it is my hope that
>> we can demonstrate the value of what we are doing then the larger
>> infrastructure overhauls will occur.
>>
>> I advocate the liberal use of common data repositories, such as Freebase
>> and domain specific ontologies; the use of common formats such as OWL
>> and RDF, as encouraged by the W3C; and the coordination between as many
>> people and groups to help define common standards.  I feel that that is
>> the first and best step to make to developing a more semantic web.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> -Peter
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>> Marco Neumann wrote:
>>> I tried to guide you with some pointers to a very relevant discussion
>>> in the community. So maybe you can help us to find out what the
>>> "larger issues" are for the current Semantic Web business and industry
>>> that the community does not acknowledge in your opinion ?
>>>
>>> Marco
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>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Randall Reetz <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Your comments do not address the meat of my post.  My post does not address the science of information or semantics.  My comments and questions are specific to the current business and industry issues effecting the development and rollout of a "semantic web" and how best to leverage the minds in this group to effect this process.  This is a practical matter.  I am not advocating a "hardware" solution.  I am aghast that the discussion is so surface, and so blind to the larger issues we should be dealing with at the beginning of a paradigm.
>>>>
>>>> Randall Reetz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "Marco Neumann" <[address removed]>
>>>> To: [address removed]
>>>> Sent: 10/22/[masked]:31 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [semweb-26] Global Semantic Web Meetup Meshup
>>>>
>>>> Hi Rendall,
>>>>
>>>> it was interesting to meet you and Sandy at the Meetup Meshup event in
>>>> Santa Clara and to talk to you about a different angle to the semantic
>>>> web technology in particular.
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