Re: [electronicmusic-136] Track Critique Request

From: user 5.
Sent on: Friday, June 29, 2012 1:34 PM
mark makes a good point. you must first swing your sword using anothers style until you find your own voice.

but in this case you are mimicing too close i think.

almost a carbon copy. and also, my ears have heard literally thousands of tracks that sound exactly like this, with the same formula.

ask yourself, where are psy trance djs in this world? youre headed there.

if you take someone elses influence or swordsmanship, you must incorporate it into your OWN style, not ride the style of other masters.

you must soon grow and become your own sound.

tell me, why so many species of flowers instead of one? 

flowers dont grow into fads

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On Jun 28, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Mark <[address removed]> wrote:

Hey Guys,

This is a fascinating thread for me to read through! Truly!  

I don't believe anyone is wearing the "Black Hat" in this exchange. I don't see any victims or bullies or whatever. I do see Mike looking for some direction on improvement, and I hear Distortion King just saying that it doesn't really stand out above the noise of similar sounding music.

I think it would help Distortion King's point if he were to provide some action items that Mike could work on. For instance, if DK were to remix this track, what would he keep? What would he loose? What is the one or two elements of the track that are required to link it as a "remix" of the original, and what inventive ways would he set about creating a unique sound?

By his own admission, these are difficult things to define, but rarely are the things that lead to true growth easy to obtain.

As for the concept of sounding like the masses. I don't find that argument very valid. I love music because of all the colors I can paint with it, and I don't see the point of avoiding a color because it is popular.  Plus, avoiding a particular sound is still reactive to today's pop market. In my opinion, the only way avoid reacting to the sound of the times, is to not pay attention to it. So, write what you like, and be happy!

When I was in audio engineering school, we did tons of "soundalikes" where we try to recreate the sound of music we like. It is a great way to fine tune your ears a focus on the more subtle elements of a track (like vocal verbs, bass compression, eq, panning, and layering). Musically, I equate the"remix for dummies" approach to learning cover tunes when you first pick up guitar. Once you learn enough music, you begin to connect the dots on your own and write original music.

As far as this track is concerned. I thought it sounded well produced and very sonically rich . To my ears, it was over compressed (which gives it that somewhat generic sound).  At times I felt there was too much going on. This isn't my wheelhouse of music, but I find that i like electronic music with a little more space in it. The main reason for this critique is because I thought some of your sounds had some nice texture it is just harder to enjoy with all of the of the all of the things happen. The Dub steppy part is cool but it isn't featured that well. It has "just another" part feel to it. That might be because there were a number of changed choruses before it, or maybe the buildup didn't create enough tension. I see that you have a softer part just before, but I think you can to more with contrast overall.

On composition, you can play around a little with "context" of the melody. This simple means to that you can change the chords under the melody to get some more millage out if it. It tends to where on my by the end. If there is an E in the melody and an E in the bass, it will have a certain sound, but move the bass up to a G, B, or C, and you get some moods.

With that said, you have some great chops, and your programming in this style sounds solid. The different sounds blend in a very comforting way. Overall, Awesome work, I can't wait to hear more.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 3:12 PM, DistortionKing <[address removed]> wrote:
ill give you a secret

in the first half of your career, if you are serious about making a living off of producing, you can gain some fans yes, by copying whats out there, but in the second half it will hurt you.

the second half is the hardest part of a music career.

trust me dont become a clone. you wont last.

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On Jun 28, 2012, at 3:07 PM, DistortionKing <[address removed]> wrote:

and i want to say im not a hater.

im trying to warn you. i WANT you to do good, and not get BURIED in the sea of clones, honestly.

ive seen many many like you. trust me.

im harsh but my vision is accurate.

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On Jun 28, 2012, at 2:40 PM, DistortionKing <[address removed]> wrote:

you can be unique even if youre addicted to copy and paste.

stop sounding like everyone else. its annoying. it makes us FEEL BAD as listeners.

imagine, is there was 10,000 nirvanas and 10,000 foo fighters and 12,000 led zepplins.

but we never seem to say anything when electronic music sound exactly the same.

in any case if you dont soon male something unique youll soon be buried by the ocean of clones.

JUST THE FACTS

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On Jun 28, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Scott / Nova <[address removed]> wrote:

Greg is right on the money...

Funny the self styled experts put there. I am a classically trained musician who produces and djs a bit so it often amuses me how some folks feel they have the credibility to judge others' works as original in the dj/"producer"/edm world. 

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On Jun 27, 2012, at 9:33 PM, DistortionKing <[address removed]> wrote:

no my point is valid and the only one attacking people is you.

soundcloud is like a wall we are all allowed to paint but people keep copying each other and painting the same thing.

my point is valid. and it will help him.

stop attacking me. 

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On Jun 27, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Greg Fender <[address removed]> wrote:

Hi all,

I have been part of this group for about 4 years. I'm not sure which Mike you are or who Distortion King is, but I am very disappointed to hear his brand of childish criticism. I am not a huge fan of this genre of music, but you put a tight spin on the original. I would be happy to provide some constructive criticism for your track at the next meetup I can attend. I know I speak for everyone I know who attends the monthly meetups that there is no tolerance for the blatant childish attack of your music that DistortionKing has written here. We are all working together to share music and grow, not act like middle-school bullies. Don't let this selfish person get you down. Your tune was a huge departure from the original (and it sounded balanced when I a/b'd it in my studio) and that merits some respect.

Very disappointed in distortionking. This is the opposite of what we have established in this group!! Go away!!!

Greg

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:25 PM, DistortionKing <[address removed]> wrote:
it sounds like genuine fight club music.

really too much of that on soundcloud right at the moment. i dont think this track will stand out against the thousands of tracks right now that sound exactly the same. 

plus remixes are being raped by the sec on soundcloud.

dont you want to male something unique? this sounds like someone elses perfect, namely feed me and skrillex's 110 bpm stuff.

you can be successful making unique art and sound, following your own true colors not someone elses perfect.

your track is a page out of "how to make a remix on soundcloud in 2012 for dummies"

but its loud.

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On Jun 27, 2012, at 4:48 PM, Mike Heijmans <[address removed]> wrote:

Hey Everyone,

First off all I want to thank everyone that came out to see me on Saturday and to apologize for the extreme tardiness of my set due to a bad show manager. 

Now that we have that out off the way, I'm doing a remix of Zedd's new track Spectrum for the Beatport remix contest (http://play.beatport.com/contests/zedd-spectrum/remixes) and I wanted to run it by some people before I post it.


Please critique the crap out of it :) Thanks in advance.

-Mike

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