4th Sunday Outing: Sack Picnic in Golden Gate Park & Discuss Male Privilege

We’ll discuss male privilege and women in the secular movement.  Bring your sack lunch.

As a white male humanist, I acknowledge 1. that I have a privileged position in society and 2. “leveling the playing field” will necessarily entail the loss of my special position. I believe fear of this loss is the cause of all the various forms of silencing and disenfranchisement of anyone not at this intersection.

Lets discuss how each of us have experienced differential privilege at home, at work and in the world, and how we as humanists can make our one tiny place, this group, more welcoming and inclusive as a start.

Meet us at the intersection of Stow Lake Drive and Stow Lake Drive East in the park at 11:30 or at the Civic Center BART station at 10:30.

Here are some readings from the Humanist magazine to prepare for the discussion:

http://thehumanist.org/september-october-2012/a-woman%E2%80%99s-place-the-dearth-of-women-in-the-secular-movement/

http://thehumanist.org/september-october-2012/the-%E2%80%9Creturn%E2%80%9D-of-the-welfare-queens-feminism-secularism-and-anti-racism/

Phil Crawford 

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  • Phil C.

    Great conversation

    2 · August 25, 2013

    • Laura M.

      Chewing, chewing ... gnawing......

      August 25, 2013

  • Vanessa Gomez B.

    I'll admit to not having read Phil's suggested articles yet. But this blog just came across my FB feed, and I offer it here just as more food for thought. :) Seems like we'll have an engaging discussion this Sunday! Blog is mainly about racism, but discusses issues of power and privilege. http://everydayfeminism.com/2013/08/racist-against-white-people/

    3 · August 21, 2013

    • Mike P.

      loved the article. explained things really well.

      August 21, 2013

    • Laura M.

      Finally got a chance to read this, Vanessa. I agree with Phil - it's a genius article. Superb. I am using this. Thanks for posting.

      August 24, 2013

  • Jim B.

    I think we may be a little off topic. Phil believes that he benefits from male privilege and wants to tell us about it on Sunday. I would hope we all listen and engage in a little introspection. We may or may identify with his understanding. Nevertheless, as Humanists, we want everyone, of all genders, to reach their fullest potential. I think it is inevitable that those in a dominant group (white, male, straight, wealthy, religious, educated etc) will experience some privileges even though they may not realize it. Many of us are in both privileged and underprivileged groups. My experience in an underprivileged group informs my understanding of my privileges that come from my membership in a dominant group. How institutions attempt to overcome disparities in their workforce is another topic, albeit, a related one, that is complex and often emotional.

    5 · August 20, 2013

  • Marty

    In reply to Phil, I can not now provide any such studies. Three things, though. First, the gender discrimination I've long witnessed in academia takes place behind closed doors (since universities would be sued otherwise), and so it would be impossible to document in a scientific way. Second, the job listings in the Humanities and Social Sciences nearly always say, roughly, "we celebrate diversity and particularly encourage applications from women and minorities." For me, beyond my experience, this is further evidence of an institutional culture that discriminates based on gender whenever it deems fit, in direct violation of the civil rights laws. Third, consistent with Richard Sander's recent book, when you admit people to an academic or professional setting who would not be there but for their race or gender, it is predictable that on average they will not perform as well as those admitted on their merits. That could partly explain the disparate outcomes in the study Phil cites.

    August 20, 2013

    • Mike P.

      Marty, i do NOT doubt your experience at all. The inequities in life are far too numerous to list. i'm wondering though that this is a proper place to start a conversation about the inequities of male privilege as it might be one example of unfairness against males compared to an ocean of inequity against females. Just a thought.

      August 20, 2013

  • Edwin

    I am unsure if I can attend and rounded my response to "Yes" since "Maybe" was not an option.

    August 20, 2013

  • Michael K.

    This is already a quite interesting discussion. Topic: Discuss Male Privilege. I think the first thing we will have to do is define Male Privilege. Only those who believe they experience it can do that. Then we may learn if this is something equivalent to comparable "female privilege", or one-sided and obnoxious to those who experience it. If it is the latter, I for one would be pleased to understand what it is, why it is experienced that way, and what if anything ought to be done about it.

    August 19, 2013

  • Marty

    Hi Guys,

    Thanks for your replies. I speak from my own experience, but:
    1) I have decades of experience,
    2) the article you provide has many limits, including its focus on academic medicine, while I'm in Poli Sci, in which job ads routinely say "we particularly seek applications from those not of your race or sex",
    3) it is well documented that women more often than men seek flexible or part time schedules (which may well indicate a greater burden on women re: childcare, etc, although it is not clear the law can do much about that, except ban sex discrimination, as it has long done), and
    4) it's a weak reply to say "you didn't see what you saw." I've seen it for decades, and again, just imagine if the job listings said the opposite - "we particularly seek applications from white males." Impossible. Again, I've long seen grad students with little or no experience hired over highly accomplished PhDs with no plausible explanation except sex discrimination, which is indefensible.

    August 19, 2013

    • Phil C.

      Please understand I do not mean to belittle your lived experience. That one article I linked to may have been weak but there were dozens of others with similar results. Can you point me to any empirical work that supports what you are saying?

      August 19, 2013

  • Laura M.

    I'm not familiar with public transport other than BART. Is there a secret plan :) for getting from Civic Center BART to the park?

    August 11, 2013

    • Laura M.

      well, I have a large funny hat for those occasions.

      August 19, 2013

    • Edwin

      The first meetup I went to, I met an organizer at Civic Center BART who drove to the event site. I expect that will be the case for this event as well.

      August 19, 2013

  • Marty

    Hi Everyone, I too look forward to Sunday, but in reply to Mike P, I hope we move past mere opinions. As Humanists, we are committed to reason, as in giving reasons for our opinions that respond to the strongest reasons of those who disagree with us. In that spirit, and that of free speech, I hope we can move beyond the rigid ideology that sees all men as an undifferentiated block of privileged oppressors and all women as an undifferentiated block of the oppressed. There are women in our society far more privileged than many men. Beyond this, in my decades of experience in academia, women ALWAYS go to the front of the line when it comes to hiring, promotions, and special awards. More than once, e.g., I've seen grad students with little or no publishing or teaching experience hired for tenure track jobs over PhD's far more accomplished on both accounts with no plausible explanation except gender discrimination. This disserves the students, currently paying $7000/year in tuition at CSU.

    August 19, 2013

    • Phil C.

      That is an interesting perspective that is contrary to my understanding. Do you have any evidence or is this just and anecdotal remark? evidence suggests otherwise: http://annals.org/art...­

      August 19, 2013

    • Mike P.

      My point was to allow women to speak first and as much as they need to before men interrupt if we truly want to combat male priviledge.

      August 19, 2013

  • Vanessa Gomez B.

    If I make it, I'll only be able to stay for about an hour. But look forward to the discussion.

    August 19, 2013

    • Mike P.

      It's important that women are not only involved in any discussion of male privilege but take a primary and major role in the discussion, especially in the sense of having first voice in giving their opinions!

      August 19, 2013

    • Phil C.

      absolutely

      August 19, 2013

  • Sonnie

    The Building & Grounds committee is cleaning UUSF and expects me to be there to talk photos.

    August 19, 2013

  • Sonnie

    I'll convince myself that it's ok to forego Sunday Service at UUSF

    August 8, 2013

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