Re: [ruby-99] Note to recruiters and Trainers

From: Dan T.
Sent on: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:32 PM
Bala for laying down the law. Stop Ruby from becoming like Enterprise.

Ruby already has the Enterprise stink on it.... where've you been? ?Have you been to RailsO'ReillyConf? ?:)

The fundamental issue is whether the group's mailing list is open for recruiter posts or not. ?They've been ok for a very long time, and changing it mid-stream isn't good form, IMNSHO, especially with the manure about charging for posts.

This Meetup has had corporate sponsorship for quite a while. ?The scope of this group has *always* been inclusive of corporate/business interests. ?"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."?

This group != "The Ruby Community." We in the Bay Area are pretty arrogant in assuming that we're the meat and potatoes of the Ruby Community. ?As far as I can tell, Matz still lives in Japan, y'know?

There are plenty of pockets of oldskool hackers remaining and if you don't care for the inclusiveness (of corporate interest, in particular) then seriously, do everybody a good deed and start a pure hacker community / hacker union. ?Bay Area Ruby|Rails groups (especially) have hit a huge mass and there's no reason *not* to branch out and "scratch your own itch."

I am *definitely* tired of seeing the same postings spammed to several Meetup groups especially when they're the "in desperate need or a ride on the cluetrain" type. ?I quit getting angry about spam email 10 years ago though.

It'd be sweet if Meetup.com offered multiple lists for each meetup: ?ie.- announcements |?free-for-all?discussion | moderated discussion. ?It'd also be sweet if some of us would learn how to use mail filters.

My 0.02, obviously.

- Dan


On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Jake <[address removed]> wrote:
> Your missing the point...
>
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> Jake Bear
> Sr. Recruiter
> Jivaro Professional Headhunters
> P. [masked]
> F. [masked]
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Silverman
> Sent: Friday, May 21,[masked]:56 AM
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> Subject: Re: [ruby-99] Note to recruiters and Trainers
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> I do Ruby for strictly enjoyment purposes and get paid for it. Why do I have to have a job/wife/car to be a hacker? What
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Jake <[address removed]> wrote:
>> As a recruiter: I feel like we come here to help you guys.. I really
>> thought we were doing you all a favor! Maybe some of you don't need
>> us, and you have a great job, and everythings perfect. However, that's
>> not the reality of the majority. ? Some people, NEED a job! Some need
>> to get a better commute so they can spend more time with their kids..
>> Maybe that extra 5 or 10 K a year helps you take the family on a vacation..
>> THAT'S WHY IM HERE!! If it's inconvienent for you all to hear about
>> Opportunity then I'll happily get off your mailing list.. Also WE ARE
>> contributing, by bringing our opportunities here to you guys. Right
>> now I'm strictly working 6 figure ROR jobs in the Bay Area, and I
>> don't have them posted anywhere else. I strictly brought it here to
>> the Meetup group. It's not on Linkedin, or any job board for that matter...
>>
>> Oh! and I do admit we got a little out of hand this week. I apologize
>> for that!
>>
>>
>> Jake Bear
>> Sr. Recruiter
>> Jivaro Professional Headhunters
>> P. [masked]
>> F. [masked]
>> [address removed]
>> www.jivaroinc.com
>>
>> You can also follow us at www.twitter.com/jivaro
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Amit
>> Sarkar
>> Sent: Friday, May 21,[masked]:13 AM
>> To: [address removed]
>> Subject: Re: [ruby-99] Note to recruiters and Trainers
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> The meet up group is for everybody and helping people to find jobs
>> should me one of the activities. I agree with Bala that people who
>> post jobs should contribute to the group, but $300 for each job
>> posting sounds ridicules. 37 signal's job posting is less than that amount.
>> Instead recruiter should regularly volunteer for the meetings and some
>> sponsorships for the meetings such as Pizza or something.
>>
>> Also another two cents for Bala. I would never use derogatory language
>> such as "you will be kicked out of this meet up group". I would show
>> some respect to other group members and say an unpleasant thing in a
>> positive way. One may have started a group but nobody owns the group.
>> If we do not show respect to ?each other then another group will spin
>> off within no time.
>>
>> BTW I am not a recruiter. I have my own software development company
>> and I do not post jobs ads anywhere including LinkedIn group.
>>
>> Warm Regards
>>
>> Amit
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bala Paranj" <[address removed]>
>> To: <[address removed]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19,[masked]:35 PM
>> Subject: [ruby-99] Note to recruiters and Trainers
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>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> The primary objective of this meetup is for developers to learn about
>>> Ruby and network with other developers and start up companies to find
>>> jobs. If you are a recruiter and would like to post a job, you need
>>> to pay $300 for each job posting. Otherwise you will be kicked out of
>>> this meetup group. If you are advertising your Ruby training you need
>>> to pay $50 for each post to the mailing list. Another option is that
>>> you speak in exchange for posting your training details. I think it
>>> was Sarah or someone who has been posting every two weeks about Ruby
>>> training.
>>>
>>> These rules will avoid those who are just "Taking" without giving
>>> anything back to the meetup group.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bala
>>>
>>> P.S: Any violation of these rules will result in your name and
>>> contact blasted through all the social media network. The online
>>> equivalent of putting you on a donkey and kicking your ass into a
>>> desert without water!
>>>
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