RE: [silvafug-events] Re: [silvafug] Adobe's announcement on the future of Flex

From: Christian B.
Sent on: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:26 PM

Unless I am missing something, this latest announcement is not just Flex on mobile devices - http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/


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Subject: Re: [silvafug-events] Re: [silvafug] Adobe's announcement on
the future of Flex
From: Y Chang <[address removed]>
Date: Mon, November 14,[masked]:42 pm
To: [address removed]

So, enough speculation and FUD here, I feel that it's high time that we hold a meetup at Adobe HQ to have everyone get their questions answered. 

P.S. Personally, I think this is just marketing trying to catch onto the last of the whole html5 vs Flash debacle from last year. Note - it's just mobile flash they are axing for Air, and not desktop

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On Nov 14, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Christian Baptiste <[address removed]> wrote:

What the hell Adobe?

Do you not know your own technology? Or maybe I am so misinformed with html 5?

I am really curious, can HTML5:
  1. Do percentage based layouts? Right now our applications adjust in size for every screen resolution, and screen size available. Right now our customers can pick and choose how much screen real-estate they want to give to each panel (similar to how the Adobe creative apps handle their panels).
  2. Does HTML 5 have equivalent form objects, and a framework to extend on those form objects?
  3. Does HTML 5 have a data grid and an advanced data grid (that again is extendable) with item renders for in cell editing? Maybe there is, Google docs has spreadsheets?????
  4. Does HTML 5 have an awesome charting framework for doing data visualization?
Last I heard (From the teams working heavily on HTML 5) the browsers still have not in agreed on a single code base. Meaning unlike Flex/Flash, developers still need to code separately for each browser.

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I have been a huge fan of Adobe/Macromedia products and technologies for many years. That being said I have also become more of a critic of them as well. The last couple of releases have been (IMO) weak. It seems like they have been releasing the same apps with no significant upgrades, and completely ignoring the request of their users all the while charging the same exact prices. Plus this is not the first time that they have given up on technologies that they have convinced their customers to believe in.  

Sad!

~ C





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Subject: Re: [silvafug-events] Re: [silvafug] Adobe's announcement on
the future of Flex
From: Bill Langley <[address removed]>
Date: Mon, November 14,[masked]:11 am
To: [address removed]

Bingo, Jon. 

In this case, perception is definitely reality. This is a classic Beta vs. VHS story. The lesser medium is going to win?I bought a beta machine, go figure :-( No new developer in their right mind is going to learn Flash now. And without developers, the language will die. I think the only hope here is with AIR. If AIR can establish itself as the better cross-platform development tool; if it can deliver the performance and power savings promised us; if it can out do HTML and at least compete with native languages, it has a chance. People don't care much about UX in a browser anymore, but in an app it still matters. Since an app is stand-alone, no one will much care what it's developed in. And since app developers will probably have to know more than one language anyway, why not add AS to mix.

WL


On Nov 12, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Jon A Savell wrote:

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Yvon Sauvageau <[address removed]> wrote:
Someone needs to read again. It's possible to remain 3+ years ahead forever.

And it's possible that greatness will continue to emerge in spite of a decline, but that's not very likely.

First, there is WAAAY more than the appearance of a decline here.

Second, no new developers are going to jump onto a platform which appears to be in decline. Even if we respect the developers who are currently making great apps with Flex, we NEED new developers jumping on board in order to gain the currency of "being current" (hipness, if you will).

Items (1) and (2) reinforce each other in very nasty ways. The result is that Flex is perceived to be dead. In other words, perception is reality.

I understand that you don't want people to speak poorly of Flex (especially in the newsgroup for Flex); you view this as a surrender to the FUD that exists out there. I apologize for upsetting your sensibilities.

Please understand that I want Adobe to stop letting its competitors define its roadmap. I want Adobe to show some courage. This is the ONLY way this gets better.

Sincerely,
Jon Savell


 




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