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Nye vs. Ham Debate Livestreaming at CFI-L.A.

  • Feb 4, 2014 · 4:00 PM
  • CFI-LA

Nye vs. Ham

Livestreamed Debate in the Steve Allen Theater

Tuesday, Feb. 4 

Doors open at 3 p.m.
Debate starts at 4 p.m.

Come to CFI to watch the live-stream of the debate between Bill Nye The Science Guy and Ken Ham of the Creation Museum: “Is creation a viable model of origins?”

Bring your own food!
Bring your own drinks! (BYOB)
Yell at the screen!

Hope we see you there!

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Steve Allen Theater at CFI-L.A.
4773 Hollywood Blvd. • Hollywood, CA 90027
2 blocks west of Vermont at Berendo

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  • A former member
    A former member

    The results were as predicted (because science can do that). I don't think Bill Nye changed the mind of anybody in that room. But for the larger audience, I think he succeeded in further marginalizing Ken Ham and AiG crowd toward the edges of cultural irrelevance. So, in that way, I guess he won.

    1 · February 4, 2014

    • Stacy

      Oops, I meant, "Scopes." As in trial.

      February 4, 2014

    • Ugo C.

      Ham's response to the question "what would make you change your mind?" was quite clear: *nothing*. Most people in that room probably would have given the same answer. Discussing these issues with that kind of people is a waste of everybody's time. I usually come to the same conclusion when watching William Lane Craig debates.

      February 5, 2014

  • Gary H

    Bill Nye was great! Now I think the skeptics were wrong about Nye being up to the job. Nye pulled it off. Ham fell back on the tired cliche, "because the bible says so." I'm glad I went. - Gary

    1 · February 4, 2014

  • malcolm

    “Is creation a viable model of origins?”
    What would happen if it is?
    What won't happen if it is?

    February 3, 2014

    • Ugo C.

      Stacy, you might have also noticed that Ham mentioned "predictions" made by creationism. But what he mentioned are not predictions at all, they are just ways of fitting known facts within the framework of their theory. True predictions are the ones that foresee facts not before known. Examples are Dirac predicting the existence of antiparticles (actually found after he wrote down the theory), Peter Higgs predicting the existence of the Higgs boson (recently confirmed by the Large Hadron Collider), and what Nye mentioned today, i.e. the prediction of a transition fossil actually found in an area with the characteristics described by evolution theory. Those are real predictions which really leave me in awe.

      1 · February 4, 2014

    • Ugo C.

      (continued) What I am not in awe are the pseudo predictions of the Bible, like the fact that Cyrus the Great achievements were "predicted" in the Book of Isaiah, when it actually turns out that such section of the book was actually written at the time of Cyrus the Great, not at the time of Isaiah. Or the Old Testament “prediction” that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem, where all historical evidence shows how unlikely that is (which strongly hints to New Testament writers having written that part just following what they already knew from the Old Testament). Not to mention the never ending prophecies for the end of the world. If any interpretation of the Bible predicted something to happen during my lifetime which nobody could currently foresee (so not something like “the sun will rise tomorrow”), and I could see that actually happening in the future, then I will really start paying attention …

      1 · February 4, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    Superb job by Bill Nye!

    February 4, 2014

  • Gary H

    Bill Nye is debating white trash...
    on the Creationists own turf! Did anyone bother to notice the event is hosted by the Creation Museum? Ham has written allegedly anti-racist books and articles claiming that the theory of Evolution created racism. He's not the first to make that accusation. - Gary http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/topic/racism

    Ken Ham is a Racist
    Aug. 11, 2009
    And probably a bigot. And he's pissed at PZ Myers for pointing it out.

    http://breakingspells.net/ken-ham-is-a-racist/

    February 4, 2014

    • Stu

      I am not a fan of the name calling.

      February 4, 2014

  • Gary H

    "And this professor seems to have a fixation on me–yet, our own full-time PhD scientists and many other scientists who work in the secular world provided the research for the museum scripts. But, then again, he wouldn’t want to acknowledge that people with better qualifications than he holds (qualifications obtained from secular universities, including PhDs from Ivy League schools like Harvard and Brown) were behind the Creation Museum teaching. This man is obviously very angry at God and relishes in mocking Christianity–spending a lot of his time fighting against Someone he doesn’t believe exists!"
    - thus spake Ken Ham

    quoted on PZ Myers
    I think we successfully poked him with a sharp stick

    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/08/11/i-think-we-successfully-poked/

    February 4, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    I tend to agree with what Gary's saying.
    I see the debate as having comedic entertainment potential, though.

    February 4, 2014

  • Stu

    Is there a plan for or interest in a group dinner afterwards or should I come dressed to go to tennis?

    February 3, 2014

    • Stacy

      It's a nice idea--I'm trying desperately to save money so I can attend the Women in Secularism III conference in May, so I'm out (unless it's fast food!)* But I bet you could find some takers!

      * Or possibly if pie is involved.

      February 3, 2014

    • Stu

      Stacy, you are welcome to join me for dinner as my guest if you like and anyone else who wants to can join us on their own check. Let me know and I'll come dressed for dinner instead of tennis.

      February 4, 2014

  • Gary H

    I'm a little miffed that my message was deleted...
    I'll try again (and hope this is not a duplicate). I tend to think these debates between Biblical literalist fundamentalists are unproductive but I just might show up. I don't think pseudo intellectual crackpots like Ham deserve the publicity and his ilk deserve any publicity and should not be legitimized by a debated with scientists.
    - Gary SEE ALSO another perspective.
    'Science Guy' Bill Nye and Ken Ham, founder of the biblically literalist Creation Museum, are set to debate evolution tomorrow. Is it a mistake for scientists to agree to share a stage with creationists?

    By Sudeshna Chowdhury, Staff writer / February 3, 2014 http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2014/0203/Bill-Nye-vs.-Ken-Ham-Should-scientists-bother-debating-creationists-video

    February 4, 2014

  • Stacy

    ...And PZ Myers tells Australia, don't feel so bad, it's our fault, really: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/02/03/stop-kicking-yourselves-australians/

    (Comment #9 translates that wonderful last paragraph of the Open Letter.)

    February 4, 2014

  • Stacy

    :D In an open letter to Bill Nye, the Secular Coalition of Australia apologizes for sending us Ken Ham: http://secoa.org/media/bill-nye-open-letter/

    "So on Tuesday, when you’re roasting the Ham and his patently ridiculous ideas on the rotisserie of logic, tell him you’ve got a message from Australia. Tell him from us that we used his state-issued Akubra hat to cover a hole in the national chookhouse shed, that he is no longer entitled to use his formal Australian name (Kenno) and that he is now forbidden any Tim Tams – ever again. Also, that whenever his name comes up at Christmas, while we sit around drinking white wine in the sun, there will be a formal awkward silence of twenty to forty seconds, until someone brightly offers everyone pudding." --from the Open Letter

    February 4, 2014

  • Stu

    I'm guessing we're not going to get popcorn because no one is going to want to clean up what would get thrown at the screen. :)

    1 · February 2, 2014

  • Missy C.

    I'll be at work but I hope to watch it there.

    February 2, 2014

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