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Re: [skeptics-137] Fwd: Ban assault weapons now

From: Kansas City S.
Sent on: Monday, January 14, 2013 12:54 PM

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM, John Manford <[address removed]> wrote:

Iggy - 
I expect better from you. 



John,

I should have elaborated more...

Now, mind you we are talking about "speed of shooting" for mass murders, not even talking about "gang bangers" which would care less and will always find a way to get a gun. A large % of US shootings are domestic violence, I doubt any of them have AR15 involved. Even 3-6 bullets clips will be enough to do the damage that is being done now in domestic violence. Domestic violence with guns is the unspoken ugly sister of 2nd Amendment debate. NRA was successful in blocking federal funds to gun statistic research, if we had all stats it would be much easier and we can have more information to make our decisions. For now, we have to take baby steps and it's coming. And this is what I am more concerned about than gang bangers or Alex Jones freaks who are screaming "The Republic will rise again" if you try to take my weapons away from him. 

Seems to me that ABILITY to accommodate a large capacity magazine is the key issue in the current debate in light of NewTown tragedy. Both guns you cited can be designed to accept only specific clips with smaller capacities by the manufacturer of the gun only - a specific clip A for gun A only. Period, no generic or cross brand selling. Alternatively, clips of larger capacity can be outlawed and only those in circulation remain or outlawed or require registration and title like a car. Any gun also requires registration like a car and chain of title is maintained. Rather simple.

In one way or another high capacity magazines will have to be regulated it seems like it. In order to then have the same speed of shooting the shooters will have to be gun slingers and practice reloading so they can have 16 clips of 6 rounds each instead of 1 clip of 100 rounds. 



My Remington .22 is semi auto and has a 17 round magazine.

Here we have a Remington 497 .22 semi auto that comes with a 10 round magazine (30 round magazine available)



The bottom .22 is scary. The top one looks like everyone's grandpa's gun. 
Without a better definition the bottom one gets banned and the top one does not.  
Definitions matter.  


On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Penelope Camel <[address removed]> wrote:


Thanks for sending this.  I signed it and forwarded it on to several friends.
 
Margie

From: eric <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Mon, January 14,[masked]:41:50 AM
Subject: [skeptics-137] Fwd: Ban assault weapons now

For those of you who are interested in signing, below is an electronic petition from CREDO to ban assault weapons.


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Subject: Ban assault weapons now
Date: Mon, 14 Jan[masked]:58:57 -0600
From: Becky Bond, CREDO Action <[address removed]>
To: ERIC DOLLARD <[address removed]>


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Dear Eric,

One month ago today, we watched in horror as the news came out of Newtown that another gun massacre had occurred. And it is impossible to put into words the pain still being felt by families and friends of the victims.

Now is the time to demand action from legislators in Congress. In the wake of the massacre of 20 first graders and six educators, there is clear momentum for passing common sense gun control regulations to ban the Sandy Hook mass murderer's weapon of choice.

Tell your senator: Support a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines. Click here to sign automatically.

Two bills to be introduced in the Senate could ban assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) plans to introduce a new assault weapons bill,1 while Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) has pledged to re-introduce his bill to ban high-capacity ammunition magazines.2

Since the massacre at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, even legislators who received "A" ratings by the National Rifle Association have shown interest in supporting restrictions on the military-style weapons and high-capacity ammo magazines like the ones used in the Newtown massacre.3

The gestures from these legislators are welcome signs, but we need more than sympathetic words. We need real leadership to overcome the death-grip the NRA has on Congress and begin the vital work of addressing the senseless gun violence that threatens our communities.

The federal assault weapons ban, which expired in 2004, banned the sale of guns like the AR-15 that was used in many high-profile mass killings including the Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooting.4 And Lautenberg's bill banning high-capacity ammunition magazines would have made it illegal for anyone to buy or own the type of ammunition magazine Adam Lanza used in the attack Newtown attack.5

Tell your senator: Support a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines. Click here to sign automatically.

CREDO members worked to pass the federal assault weapons ban in 1994. And we fought to stop its expiration in 2004. We continue to advocate for passing and enforcing sensible federal gun laws restricting ready access for civilians to assault weapons. Massacres on the scale of the tragedy in Newtown happen in part because our federal gun laws make it easy for civilians to obtain military-style firepower.

We're not so naïve as to think that sensible gun laws are all that's needed to stop the killings. There are many things that need to change in American culture to stop the next Newtown-like massacre. But we do know one thing we should put at the top of the list: keeping military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines out of the hands of civilians.

It's long past time to reinstate the federal ban on assault weapons, and institute a new ban on high-capacity magazines.

Tell your senator: Support a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines. Click the link below to sign automatically.
http://act.credoaction.com/r/?r=6994702&p=senate_weapons&id=53306-5874616-mR3yqYx&t=5

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Becky Bond, Political Director
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1.Sean Sullivan, "Feinstein will introduce assault weapons ban in Senate." The Washington Post, 12/16/12.
2. Steve Strunsky, "Lautenberg renews bid to ban high-capacity ammunition." The Star-Ledger, 12/17/12.
3. Josh Israel, "Meet The 10 Gun-Touting Lawmakers Willing To Consider Gun Control In Aftermath Of Shooting." ThinkProgress, 12/18/12.
4. Zack Beauchamp, "Expired Assault Weapons Ban Would Have Covered Rifle Used In Colorado Shooting." ThinkProgress, 07/20/12.
5. Steve Strunsky, "Lautenberg renews bid to ban high-capacity ammunition." The Star-Ledger, 12/17/12.


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