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Re: [skeptics-137] Fw: Last Friday night on Not Eating Meat.

From: cole m.
Sent on: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:37 PM
Deer Crash. I mean "Dear" Crash.

Thanks for the comment. We can be very nice to animals...then kill them.  I get it.

Cole


From: Fred <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16,[masked]:05 AM
Subject: Re: [skeptics-137] Fw: Last Friday night on Not Eating Meat.

OK, Cole, I admit you've given me ... much food for thought.  No really, I watched most of the 2 parts below - and all of the video within Part 1 that showed the amazingly inhumane conditions of the life and death of these animals.  That little video alone is enough to cause anyone who sees it to rethink (or perhaps more like me, really consider for the first time) what is involved in bringing to our dinner table a hamburger, a steak, a roast, a pork chop, or even a "healthy" grilled chicken sandwich.  You can't understand what that little slogan means about "If all slaughterhouses had windows..." until you've seen that video.  I highly recommend that everyone sees this (below).

On the other hand, I realize that all this could perhaps as easily make a case for putting our efforts instead into the more realistic goal of improving the appalling conditions under which these animals live, and being willing to pay more for our meat and dairy products.  I think people from all belief systems might be able to get together on this.  But if you're an atheist and you watch these two parts by the Minnesota Atheists, you might come to agree that to be consistent as an atheist, the vegetarian (or better, vegan) diet is the obvious choice.  Those who don't believe that humans were in any way made in the image of God or are particularly special in the animal world (other than in degree, rather than in kind) can draw a straight line from:  I don't think we should subject humans to life in a human-sized cage being fattened up for slaughter ... to ... I don't think lower forms of life that also experience consciousness and feeling should be subjected to this, either.  The Minnesota Atheists video makes a good case.  Maybe even for a Christian.  I'm still thinking about it ...

Fred (aka Crash)


On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:23 PM, cole morgan <[address removed]> wrote:
I sent this to the Provocateurs earlier because this is where the discussion began.

Cole

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From: Cole Morgan <[address removed]>
To: "[address removed]" <[address removed]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15,[masked]:57 AM
Subject: Last Friday night on Not Eating Meat.

Last Friday at Provocateurs & Peacemakers I said I would email out some info I have on why I don't eat meat.  If you have information that promotes killing animals and good healthy reasons why I should eat meat please send them to me and/or to the group. I am open to change my mind and begin promoting murder again. LOL 
I mean this in the nicest way.
Thanks to all who attended last Friday.  It was so much fun. Life is so much fun. Thanks to All for adding to it.

Cole [masked]

This is a good two parter( about an hour long total) that summarizes the other material I have included if you don't have time to learn why I have decided not to kill animals and not eat meat because it is not healthy for me. Oh, some of the videos are somewhat gruesome -worse than Horror Flicks- so you may consider this before you click on the link. I wouldn't want anyone to feel bad.
Enjoy.  Peace.

#1) Part 1 Vegans, Vegetarians and Atheist, Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-pnEHCFh5E 

Published on Dec 19, 2012
Atheists Talk cable program by Minnesota Atheists.

 Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU0DBviutqE


"Vegans, Vegetarians and Atheist, Part 1" recorded 12/6/2012

During part one, guest Rohit Ravindran discussed his background and the points in his life that brought him to atheism. He then explained how, from a philosophical standpoint, the logic that led him to atheism also led him to become a vegetarian, and later, a vegan. Rohit provided definitions of a few terms, and detailed the violence inherent in factory farms. He shared a video of covertly recorded footage from inside one such factory to bolster his claim, and offered suggested reading material to learn more. James Zimmerman hosted.
 
In part two, Rohit Ravindran continued his discussion of eating conscientiously. He explained the ethics involved in decided what to, and what not to, eat. Host James Zimmerman aired several common objections to vegetarianism, and Rohit explained the common responses. He also explained the benefits of a non-meat diet from environmental and health perspectives. Rohit shared some of his favorite books on the topic, and noted a couple local vegan groups to help viewers learn more.

Minnesota Atheists practices positive, inclusive, active, friendly neighborhood atheism in order to:

- Provide a community for atheists
- Educate the public about atheism
- Promote separation of state and church
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#2) Eight Arguments in Favor of Eating Meat and Objections Theretohttp://www.mesacc.edu/~davpy35701/text/meatarg.html

#3) 7 Reasons Why We Have Not ‘Evolved’ To Eat Meat http://www.care2.com/causes/7-reasons-why-we-have-not-evolved-to-eat-meat.html
#4) Jamie Oliver's TED Award speech  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIwrV5e6fMY

#10  Shattering The Meat Myth: Humans Are Natural Vegetarians 

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