|Sent on:||Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:49 PM|
Adam,You need to take a look at that short video-within-a-video to see the night-and-day difference between the lifelong, torturous, no-room-to-move conditions of these chickens and hogs, for instance, and the lives of animals in the wild (even when they do end violently or slowly).CrashOn Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Adam <[address removed]> wrote:
... watch a nature documentary that doesn't cut away form the kill and dining of a large predator.... observe a lion pride eating a zebra as and till it dies...
Slaughter houses have problems, without a doubt, and should be improved (Ill reference Temple Grandin again) as well as the factory nature of the ways we raise our feed animals, but lets not forget how things happen in the wild when we are comparing ourselves to them. Where herds starve and or drown in their annual migrations, where wolf packs hamstring a create and let it slowly die. How a Komodo Dragon eats by infecting it's prey with disease ridden saliva and letting it slowly die and then catching up to rip it apart.
It ain't a pretty world out there, no matter where you look.On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Fred <[address removed]> wrote:
OK, Cole, I admit you've given me ... much food for thought. No really, I watched most of the 2 parts below - and all of the video within Part 1 that showed the amazingly inhumane conditions of the life and death of these animals. That little video alone is enough to cause anyone who sees it to rethink (or perhaps more like me, really consider for the first time) what is involved in bringing to our dinner table a hamburger, a steak, a roast, a pork chop, or even a "healthy" grilled chicken sandwich. You can't understand what that little slogan means about "If all slaughterhouses had windows..." until you've seen that video. I highly recommend that everyone sees this (below).On the other hand, I realize that all this could perhaps as easily make a case for putting our efforts instead into the more realistic goal of improving the appalling conditions under which these animals live, and being willing to pay more for our meat and dairy products. I think people from all belief systems might be able to get together on this. But if you're an atheist and you watch these two parts by the Minnesota Atheists, you might come to agree that to be consistent as an atheist, the vegetarian (or better, vegan) diet is the obvious choice. Those who don't believe that humans were in any way made in the image of God or are particularly special in the animal world (other than in degree, rather than in kind) can draw a straight line from: I don't think we should subject humans to life in a human-sized cage being fattened up for slaughter ... to ... I don't think lower forms of life that also experience consciousness and feeling should be subjected to this, either. The Minnesota Atheists video makes a good case. Maybe even for a Christian. I'm still thinking about it ...Fred (aka Crash)On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:23 PM, cole morgan <[address removed]> wrote:
I sent this to the Provocateurs earlier because this is where the discussion began.Cole----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Cole Morgan <[address removed]>
To: "[address removed]" <[address removed]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15,[masked]:57 AM
Subject: Last Friday night on Not Eating Meat.
Last Friday at Provocateurs & Peacemakers I said I would email out some info I have on why I don't eat meat. If you have information that promotes killing animals and good healthy reasons why I should eat meat please send them to me and/or to the group. I am open to change my mind and begin promoting murder again. LOLI mean this in the nicest way.Thanks to all who attended last Friday. It was so much fun. Life is so much fun. Thanks to All for adding to it.Cole [masked]This is a good two parter( about an hour long total) that summarizes the other material I have included if you don't have time to learn why I have decided not to kill animals and not eat meat because it is not healthy for me. Oh, some of the videos are somewhat gruesome -worse than Horror Flicks- so you may consider this before you click on the link. I wouldn't want anyone to feel bad.Enjoy. Peace.
#9) http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?6537-Was-meat-eating-essential-for-human-evolution#10 Shattering The Meat Myth: Humans Are Natural Vegetarians