Re: [skeptics-137] On killing

From: Adam
Sent on: Friday, January 25, 2013 8:58 AM
As much as I will argue against it, THIS is the sort of argument for a vegetarian lifestyle that I do respect.  Being a healthier human is truly more quantifiable than being a "better" one.  Health and resource consumption arguments definitely hold more sway for me than a discussion of the morality of eating critters (since I tend to see critters as a continuum, that means killing an animal is analogous to killing a plant is analogous to killing bacteria, and we all live through the death of other things no matter how you try to remove yourself, (insert my 12 bits here: Eat stupid things first, but eat smart things if you are starving!  Kill as quickly and thoroughly as possible as inducing pain is a harm.  blah blah blah.))

It is a societal good ("better human" perhaps?) to reduce your footprint on the planet, however by being healthier you are increasing the duration of your existence and therefor countering the reduced "snapshot" footprint through that longer duration. ;)

Im a horrible person thinking of such things!  (But please understand, when I was a smoker, I referred to it as my
"retirement plan".)

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Hiten Soni, MD <[address removed]> wrote:
I like that cole.
 
I think I will try the gradual approch as well.
Hiten Soni, MD
All things are possible.


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From: cole morgan <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [skeptics-137] On killing
To: [address removed]
Date: Friday, January 25, 2013, 6:03 AM

Interesting points, Steve. Lots to think about.  

You asked before how I feel now.  At least I think that is what you asked. I haven't felt this good in the last 10 years since I eliminated meat from my diet 7 months ago. I also eat a lot more vegetables, fruits and nuts  -hardly any junk food, actually none in the last couple of months. I slowed down on bread, potatoes and rice though I continue to eat these. I have a lot more energy and have lost over 50lbs over the last two years.  I lost over 30 lbs in the last year. A year ago I was eating meat perhaps 5 or 6 times a week out of 21 meals a week. This has been a gradual experience for me. I enjoy it.

Cole


From: Steve J <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, January 25,[masked]:11 AM
Subject: RE: [skeptics-137] On killing

Accidentally pushed send....
125 bushels (or more) of corn, which could feed more people than the
one cow. The argument against eating meat, as I understand it, is a
matter of economics. You get more calories per acre from putting it
under plow than you get from eating the cow you grazed on the same
acre.
It would be interesting to see how much life is lost and how you'd
balance the life of one worm vs. one rabbit. I'm not sure how one
would quantify misery or suffering. For myself, it comes down to
preventing or alleviating human suffering, all else is secondary.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve J
Sent: 1/25/2013 4:29 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: RE: [skeptics-137] On killing




The common practice is to graze cattle at one per acre. That same acre
could produce 125
That's what I was taught as a child, not sure that it has changed much.




From: Anna Smith
Sent: 1/24/2013 2:59 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: [skeptics-137] On killing





I have been thinking about the idea of not killing animals for food,
and I started wondering how many living things are killed when
farming. A lot of times, the ground has to be burned first. Who knows
how many animals that kills. Then the ground is tilled. I don't know
figures, nor want to look them up, on how many insects, spiders,
snakes, moles, mice, and baby bunnies there are in each acre of land,
but i'm sure it is in the thousands. And then pesticides....unless you
eat only organic. And more are killed when the crops are harvested. Is
the life of a worm as valuable as the life of a cow? Or a snake or
baby bunny as valuable as a chicken? Isn't it better, in the end, to
kill the biggest things? That way less life is lost to feed more
people.
(A bit tongue-in-cheek, but with a hint of seriousness.)






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