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Re: [skeptics-137] Pi Day + Science and Reason Parade

From: Anna S.
Sent on: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:27 PM
The right to exclude or include people, in my opinion, must be made on a case to case basis. In the case of this parade, they have a legal right to exclude KCAC. I don't think anyone can say what their intentions in denying the application were, and therefore I don't think that it can be called discrimination. Now, if KCAC applied to march in a public parade, in which it wouldn't be totally out of context for them to march, then that would be a different case. Same situation with the gay pride marching in New York.

Let me tell you a few things about myself that blow your first two diagnosis of my personality/argumentative disorders out of the water.

1. I am an Atheist. I have been an Atheist for over 30 years.
2. I have family members and many friends who are gay. I have donated money and time to gay causes, and as a matter of fact, I was at a gay bar just last night.

As far as being ego-centric...possibly. But one thing I have not done is launch a personal attack against a person, and diagnose them after reading only a few things they posted. You know nothing about me, so I don't take it personally, because I think if you did know me you would reconsider your thoughts about me. What I do take personally is your thinly veiled attempt to get others to launch a personal attack against me as well, by asking....Does anyone else see this?

--- On Sat, 3/16/13, Hiten Soni, MD <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Hiten Soni, MD <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [skeptics-137] Pi Day + Science and Reason Parade
To: [address removed]
Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 5:44 PM

What, in your opinion, gives one the right to include and exclude people?

Anna, I have read your number of responses. One things comes through very clearly that there few biases in your thought pattern.

I can name few
1 fundamental attribution error 
2 confirmation bias
3 ego-centrism

Is any one else observing this? Or is it just me?


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On Mar 15, 2013, at 11:34 PM, Anna Smith <[address removed]> wrote:

Very similar, and i think the parade has a right to deny the gay pride people there, just like they denied Atheists here. Neither one fits in with the theme of the parade, or St Patrick's Day.

--- On Sat, 3/16/13, Penelope Camel <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Penelope Camel <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [skeptics-137] Pi Day + Science and Reason Parade
To: [address removed]
Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013, 4:22 AM

You've got to read this!  (It's our story!) 

From: Gilbert Moore <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Fri, March 15,[masked]:19:01 PM
Subject: Re: [skeptics-137] Pi Day + Science and Reason Parade

The idea is good but it could easily backfire.
Those vast organizations that oppose us could make a effort to bycott the event.
A heavily publicized  bycott could embolden the opposition

From: Marlys Kummer Doerflinger <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, March 15,[masked]:57 PM
Subject: RE: [skeptics-137] Pi Day + Science and Reason Parade
You made some good points Penelope, I am not really certain that there are enough people who want to come out for a parade.
Has a program on discrimination, perhaps they can send an expert to have a program for us.   I did e-mail Cole with that suggestion yesterday.
From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Penelope Camel
Sent: Friday, March 15,[masked]:13 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [skeptics-137] Pi Day + 3 Science and Reason Parade
The St. Pat's folks were basically trying to keep things complying to their theme (FUN) . . probably totally wanted to avoid controversy . . (though they GOT it anyway!) . . . . Their denying our entry might be totally legal, but it doesn't make it right.
Lots of Americans stopped littering and smoking in recent years.  "Shame," "education," "peer pressure" . . . . all of these influenced people changing their ways more than any "laws." . . . . . (by the way, I was taught in school that "laws" are very conservative by nature . . . . usually the mores of a group changes first, then the laws change to match them)  (Once in awhile a law will effect change . . . especially when you get the death penalty . . . . or a huge fine and/or imprisonment if you don't comply!)
I think the the positive role models of many talented and serving African Americans helped their acceptance more than any laws . . . . all the athletes . . . movie stars . . . performers . . . They changed the hearts of status quo white Americans.  (You actually need both . . . . those hero folk oftentimes would never have aspired to that level without changes in the law first.)
From: Marlys Kummer Doerflinger <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Fri, March 15,[masked]:55:01 AM
Subject: RE: [skeptics-137] Pi Day + 3 Science and Reason Parade
FYI:   Pi Day refers to 3-14 as in March 14 and seems to be a catch phrase this year, so I threw that out as a possibility for part to the title.  
I think if we involved the science community we would get more community participation and also send a message that we are educated people who have come to our conclusions by looking at the evidence.  We would also give recognition to that community for what they have done to make this world a better place in which to live.
By having a theme, we can control who is involved by requiring that people who participate comply with the theme of the parade.   We can encourage more floats by giving awards or letters of recognition or certificates which they can display.
I have also volunteered with Josh and Sara to head up that committee and work with Larlo, the D.J. on 96.5 the Buzz who volunteered to help with next year’s parade.
From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Hiten Soni, MD
Sent: Friday, March 15,[masked]:02 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [skeptics-137] Pi Day + 3 Science and Reason Parade
I looked at the parade permit application.
The city fee is only $50.00.  We also have to have liability insurance for 1 million, and contract with a third part for clean up.
We also have to place a notice in the new paper. And notify businesses along the parade route.
I was in favor of calling it "Atheist pride parade"

Hiten Soni, MD
All things are possible.

--- On Fri, 3/15/13, Marlys Kummer Doerflinger <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Marlys Kummer Doerflinger <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [skeptics-137] Pi Day + 3 Science and Reason Parade
To: [address removed]
Date: Friday, March 15, 2013, 8:10 AM
Pi day + 3 is on a Monday in 2014. How is that going to affect the parade?  Maybe the name should be Pi Day +?

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