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Re: [socratescafe-124] What role for the "old" in society? - What "role' does society have for 1 year olds?   Just because there are no institutions specifically dependent on them does not mean they do not have "roles". A "role" is anything they do tha Bryan Jul 19, 2016 8:31 AM
What role for the "old" in society? - The societal rule is this: you go to school, get a job, work for 30-40 years, then "retire". This may have made some sense when people died at 60 (after 40 years of work), but people living into their 80s and even 90s is increasingly common. That's Thomas L. Jul 18, 2016 2:22 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Wednesday night -- mirror neuron hints - Correct.   That's the right day, the right month, the right year.  July 6, 2016. On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Reggie < Tom B. Jul 2, 2016 7:35 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Wednesday night -- mirror neuron hints - Reggie Jul 2, 2016 7:00 PM
Wednesday night -- mirror neuron hints - Hi, The Wednesday night discussion is coming up, and this might be a good time to learn a little more about the subject, before talking about it.  Here are some suggestions: Tom B. Jul 1, 2016 12:23 PM
Meetup details changed: Can there be such a thing as a Moral War? - War is Hell. Continuing our theme of "getting along", when is War justified? We can agree that violent defense in face of an invasion is justified, but when is it legitimate to invade? Is it ever? S Thomas L. Jun 14, 2016 8:14 AM
Meetup details changed: What is a good life? - If you don't know how to live a good life, then how to do you know what to do with yours?  Volker will lead us on an exploration of Socrates' favorite question. In the meantime, check out these resources: Thomas L. May 1, 2016 12:37 AM
Moral Quandries, Wed April 20 - Do you have a favorite moral quandary to discuss with the group? I'll present a few of mine, and in the future we can do more that members come up with. Examples include: Is animal farming moral? If you could save a child's life by adoptin Thomas L. Apr 18, 2016 10:51 AM
Philosophy as therapy - Wed April 6   Can philosophy help you cope with life, even when life sucks? Or does staring into the abyss make things worse? Thomas L. Apr 2, 2016 11:07 AM
Facebook page! - Another attempt to drag the group into the 2010s.... check us out at   https://www.facebook.com/group­s/UpstateSCIntelligentDiscussi­ons/ If you are unable to attend t Thomas L. Feb 28, 2016 5:12 PM
Meetup details changed: Free Will - It always seems to come down to Free Will! We'll discuss this rather unavoidable and elusory topic, including issues with: Is there a non-material agent inside us?  What is "us"?  (Identity) Is there a material alternative to just Det Thomas L. Feb 26, 2016 6:30 PM
True Gender Equality - Winston will be presenting the controversial side of "Gender Equality" ... guaranteed to be a rousing discussion!  Come with an open and inquisitive mind and be prepared to be challenged! Thomas L. Feb 11, 2016 9:35 PM
New Meetup: Celebrating Tolerance ... too much? - Announcing a new Meetup for The Greenville Socrates Cafe Meetup Group! What : Celebrating Tolerance ... too much? When : Wednesday, De Thomas L. Nov 26, 2015 10:41 PM
Meetup details changed: Cancelled - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/socrates­cafe-124/events/220609052/ When : Wednesday, February 1 Thomas L. Feb 18, 2015 4:59 PM
Meetup details changed: Utter Chaos - Well, Trish discovered she has to work, and I'm elsewhere, so we'll have a surprise subject led by Joe. These open-ended things always turn out interesting, so embrace the chaos and let's roll with it!! Thanks to Joe for stepping up las Thomas L. Sep 30, 2014 11:26 PM
A new thing: Book presentations - Our next meeting of Socrates Cafe (Sept 3) will be about "What works?", an examination of the practical aspects of philosophy.  However after that we will have members present a book they have recently read (about philosophy, please) that they have fo Thomas L. Aug 24, 2014 10:41 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Socrates Cafe going forward - I like this approach. It's good having you back Cecil - you were missed. Magda Sep 8, 2013 5:17 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Socrates Cafe going forward - Preview not available Matt M. Sep 8, 2013 1:25 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Socrates Cafe going forward - Thanks, Cecil.......... Your approach is excellent. BRUCE Bruce C. Sep 8, 2013 11:30 AM
Socrates Cafe going forward - Hello fellow philosophers.  Since I will be taking the reins back from Tom starting next meeting, I thought I would 1) thank Tom for the great job he did all summer, and 2) let you know more or less the direction I will be trying to take the group goi Cecil W. Sep 8, 2013 11:20 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Do animals have morals? - I am more interested in why people do not behave morally, especially large groups of people, like the citizens of a country.                   Perhaps associated is the seeming enormous increase in the practice by people to give th Bruce C. Sep 7, 2013 11:38 PM
Do animals have morals? - http://www.aeonmagazine.com/be­ing-human/mark-rowlands Thomas L. Sep 7, 2013 11:03 PM
Socrates Cafe Topic: The Philosophy of Humor - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/socrates­cafe-124/events/137415912/ An exploration of humor;  why do we laugh? Thomas L. Sep 3, 2013 9:30 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Try not to wet yourself over these.... - Preview not available Bryan Jul 28, 2013 8:57 AM
RE: [socratescafe-124] Try not to wet yourself over these.... - At the beach. Will look at this when I get back home. But thanks, looks cool. Cecil W. Jul 28, 2013 7:28 AM
Try not to wet yourself over these.... - Article: Thomas L. Jul 28, 2013 2:13 AM
Philosophy for Children - Should be required in all schools. http:/ Thomas L. Jun 20, 2013 12:24 AM
The Science of Free Will - online seminar - with Richard Carrier and John Shook Thomas L. Apr 23, 2013 11:21 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] I found it! Real evidence that we're in a Simulation. - No question that our "knowing" all the basics lurks far into the future...... nor that our imaginations can fill all the cracks in the mean time. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Magda < Bruce C. Mar 21, 2013 8:22 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] I found it! Real evidence that we're in a Simulation. - But I do agree that it's a simulation of sorts (Matrix.) The nature of reality has been a big question, from the yoga sutr Magda Mar 21, 2013 8:05 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] I found it! Real evidence that we're in a Simulation. - Maybe there's evidence that we haven't found or has not gone mainstream. After all, the educational system resists change Magda Mar 21, 2013 7:58 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] I found it! Real evidence that we're in a Simulation. - Yeah, sure......... On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Thomas Ledbetter < [address removed] > wrote: Bruce C. Mar 20, 2013 10:58 PM
I found it! Real evidence that we're in a Simulation. - Apropos to our conversation this evening: What if we are all living in a simu Thomas L. Mar 20, 2013 10:32 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Scientific evidence that you probably don't have free will - As far as I know......(which isn't very far), something materialistic makes the neurons fire, we just don't know how that got started.  The scientific efforts to answer this question is extremely fascinating, and I think it would be useful Bruce C. Jan 16, 2013 1:14 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Scientific evidence that you probably don't have free will - Which rings us to a good point.... what does it mean if we do have free will... some non-materialistic thing that "makes the neurons fire"? Would knowing that be useful, or would it be like so many paranormal things, that just happen when they happen? I Thomas L. Jan 16, 2013 12:39 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Scientific evidence that you probably don't have free will - The programmed robot........ but......... without consciousness?     Uh........ thus, a silly example? I do not think I defined free will, rather, said that whatever it is, it comes from within out brain/mind, and that the referenced Bruce C. Jan 16, 2013 12:09 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Scientific evidence that you probably don't have free will - How about this: "Science will always determine that we don't have free will, since science can only look at the mechanics Thomas L. Jan 16, 2013 10:37 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Scientific evidence that you probably don't have free will - I'm not sure that "coming from within our minds/brains" is a useful definition of free will. Consider a mechanical toy owned by a child. Th Cecil W. Jan 16, 2013 10:22 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Scientific evidence that you probably don't have free will - Interesting article......... and completely unconvincing.   As usual, definitions of initial terms are critical to subsequent thought..... including the development and conduct of experiments.   Free will was not defined, though there was a reference to Bruce C. Jan 16, 2013 8:40 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Scientific evidence that you probably don't have free will - The article talks about "free will" but should really say that decision making is subconscious.  Why is an subconsious decision "not free" ? On Tue, Ja Bryan Jan 16, 2013 8:33 AM
Scientific evidence that you probably don't have free will - Thomas L. Jan 15, 2013 11:46 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Re: What is your philosophy type? - That's wrong.   I'm Epicurean! On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Angel Freire < afreire70@ Bryan Jan 3, 2013 6:11 PM
RE: [socratescafe-124] Re: What is your philosophy type? - I got matched up with Zeno, which is rather fitting since I revel in paradoxes too. Cecil W. Jan 3, 2013 5:20 PM
Re: What is your philosophy type? - Angel F. Jan 3, 2013 4:31 PM
Re: What is your philosophy type? - OK ... here's the link! http://www.markvernon.com/quiz­/my-phi Thomas L. Jan 3, 2013 2:38 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] What is your philosophy type? - Just a "thinker"........ with questions/inquiry about ...... everything. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Robert < robertbertinelli@yaho Bruce C. Jan 3, 2013 12:28 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] What is your philosophy type? - Love the aside. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Robert < [address removed] > wrote: Bruce C. Jan 3, 2013 8:00 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] What is your philosophy type? - I don't know what type that I would adhere to. I am just inquisitive and do like to explore thought. I spell god with Robert B. Jan 3, 2013 7:58 AM
RE: [socratescafe-124] What is your philosophy type? - I think you forgot to put in the link. You shouldn't stay up so late after Socrates Cafe. Cecil W. Jan 3, 2013 6:50 AM
What is your philosophy type? - 12 interesting questions. Thomas L. Jan 3, 2013 12:16 AM
Top 20 Movies for Philosophy Students - With dozens more in the comments. Thomas L. Jan 3, 2013 12:12 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Consciousness - yes, and I'll be glad to get back. one month out, I feel like my old self. the only reminder is the scar. See you guys tomorrow --- On user 4. Jan 1, 2013 6:05 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Consciousness - Now now, I'm pretty sure it only takes a tiny smidgen of consciousness to hit the DELETE key. But Susan, I am so glad you are coming tomorrow, because that must mean you are all well now. Great to have you back in the land of the living and I'll s Cecil W. Jan 1, 2013 2:46 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Consciousness - ditto --- On Tue, 1/1/13, Robert <[address removed]> wrote: user 4. Jan 1, 2013 2:12 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Consciousness - enough Robert B. Jan 1, 2013 2:10 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Consciousness - I simply think that behavior trumps my own knowledge or understanding of what another "person's" inner life is about.  Including a person I'm having sex with.  (Ah, if only I could have  known  the inner life of my Ex!) Bruce C. Jan 1, 2013 8:49 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - As man's technical abilities continue to expand, the capacity to "see" and isolate - to know - and record real-time consciousness of a human, a purely biological/physical reality,  will enable replication of that consciousness.  Maybe.   Bruce C. Jan 1, 2013 8:44 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Consciousness - Continuing from the Alzheimer’s thread: Cecil W. Jan 1, 2013 7:56 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Hey folks, let's shuffle this over to the Consciousness thread that Tom started, inasmuch as this conversation isn't really about Alzheimer's any more. See Cecil W. Jan 1, 2013 7:33 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Preview not available Brian Dec 31, 2012 10:31 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Welcome to the fray, Brian! You raise another interesting avenue ... levels of human consciousness. Thomas L. Dec 31, 2012 9:24 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Preview not available Brian Dec 31, 2012 6:12 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - I'm not at all suggesting that the doll, or whatever..... the sex "doll"..... etc.... has an "inner life", rather, simply a comment on how I might interact with her/it.   If I'm having sex with a highly responsive/"sensit Bruce C. Dec 31, 2012 4:44 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - See my reply to Bruce from about 1 minute ago. Cecil W. Dec 31, 2012 3:58 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - So you are saying that if you went down to Toys R Us and bought "Annie, the most realistic doll ever produced, watch it smile back when you smile at her, wa Cecil W. Dec 31, 2012 3:56 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - But in the example, the doll has not been designed/created/programmed to behave like a little brother, crying out if hurt, etc.   I suspect that, were to doll so designed, the child and the father would regard/treat the doll more like little brother. Bruce C. Dec 31, 2012 2:02 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Interesting, our attitudes. Thomas L. Dec 31, 2012 12:33 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Consciousness - I more or less agree with everything that Tom says here, so I'm trying hard to find something I disagree with. Ah ha, found something. What's with th Cecil W. Dec 31, 2012 12:27 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Once again Cecil hits it squarely on the head. No one is looking for more self-willed, inner-directed others on the planet user 8. Dec 31, 2012 11:42 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - It seems to me that you are making "her" actions (affection, caring, reciprocity) synonymous with having a mind (or at least a substitute for having on Cecil W. Dec 31, 2012 11:27 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Not necessarily icky at all.   Seems sort of like -  If it looks like a duck, and quacks.....etc......   If a female robot is built to behave and feel and generally, communicate like a woman, I suspect that she would express affection and caring, recip Bruce C. Dec 31, 2012 8:36 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Welcome! ... and I'm not familiar with Donald Campbell ... I'll look it up. Thomas L. Dec 30, 2012 4:47 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;­font-size:9pt;background-color­: #ffffff;color: black;} Hi all, user 1. Dec 30, 2012 3:09 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - But you might also take a look at the links below.       I'm not an academic.  At times, your words suggest I might need to begin a program in philosophy in order to understand what you are talking about, or consult this or that Bruce C. Dec 29, 2012 5:52 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Ah ha!   :-)   Well....... not looking for proofs....... rather, perhaps, a bit of usefulness.    I'm OK - You're OK............ On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Thomas Ledbetter Bruce C. Dec 29, 2012 5:27 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Consciousness - Thread renamed from "Alzheimer's" Thomas L. Dec 29, 2012 10:41 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Tom and Bruce - If you guys would just stick to Cecil W. Dec 29, 2012 7:34 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Sarcasm, my fellow. Philosophers are often scoffed upon for getting so wrapped up in thought they forget about real world Thomas L. Dec 29, 2012 12:07 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - It seems to me that simply because one can predict the way another may respond to a particular stimulus it does not follow that that person is therefore "programmed" by some external programmer.    Maybe "trained" to respond in a cer Bruce C. Dec 28, 2012 10:54 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - I detect a condescension.  Philosophy rejects evidence?    Not in my book.    Are we seeking knowledge......... or debating beliefs? On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Thomas Ledbetter < Bruce C. Dec 28, 2012 10:51 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Evidence?? This is philosophy, man! Thomas L. Dec 28, 2012 10:15 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Is there any evidence, not "religious" concepts, that shows that the mind is separate from the body? On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Bryan < b Bruce C. Dec 28, 2012 9:38 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - I think one of the things that distinguishes philosophy from other subjects is that it requires a broad range of both knowledge and experience, as opposed to the Cecil W. Dec 28, 2012 8:32 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - This question is also taken up in Asimov's Elijah bailey series.  At one point, there is a planet of humaniform robots who can become companions to humans.   Asimov does not dig into the difficulty of programming the robot to know Bryan Dec 28, 2012 6:52 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Thomas L. Dec 28, 2012 5:53 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Excellent point, Bruce. It isn't a hard-as-cement fact, but experiments do show that most people respond in predictable wa Thomas L. Dec 28, 2012 5:16 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Thanks, Cecil.......... Having not been directly involved in an original way, I may not be keeping up with all contributions.......... As Thomas above gave the original question to be: If mind and body are separate...?     I would h Bruce C. Dec 28, 2012 4:31 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - When was "As humans, we are PROGRAMMED to respond emotionally to certain stimuli." determined to be an (unevolving, non-dynamic) fact..... and by whom?     With all of the "therefores" following.        Seems a bit like saying, G Bruce C. Dec 28, 2012 4:17 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Truth has a half-life of 45 years. - Interesting....... and fortunate, how experience can overturn all sorts of myths (LIES!). On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Cecil Wyche < cecilwyche@c Bruce C. Dec 28, 2012 8:30 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Truth has a half-life of 45 years. - Yeah, and that whole thing about masturbation causing blindness. I think that's been overturned, right? Cecil W. Dec 28, 2012 7:08 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Truth has a half-life of 45 years. - In that 29 years, we've discovered extra solar planets (and techniques for spotting them), public access to the internet and the creation of all that entails, developed and implanted viable artificial organ The I. Dec 27, 2012 6:32 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Truth has a half-life of 45 years. - Preview not available Bryan Dec 27, 2012 6:08 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Truth has a half-life of 45 years. - " Thomas L. Dec 27, 2012 12:13 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Truth has a half-life of 45 years. - Preview not available Bryan Dec 27, 2012 9:01 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Affection for Robots was well treated in a twilight zone episode, in which a man condemned to solitary confinement built a heath kit mistress.  He become very attached to it.  I won't give away the surprise ending ! Bryan Dec 27, 2012 8:58 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Tom, I didn't really intend to go off onto moral responsibility. I was just using that example to illustrate our change in attitudes toward beings, as we p Cecil W. Dec 27, 2012 8:41 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Well, the original question was "What is the mind-body problem?" If you would like to answer it, please be my guest. And yes, as all philos Cecil W. Dec 27, 2012 8:23 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - To Bruce, follow the tread down. The original question, a spinoff of ou Thomas L. Dec 27, 2012 1:53 AM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Is there a question?    Or, is this an exercise in imagination and speculation? On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Cecil Wyche < cecilwyche@charter.n Bruce C. Dec 26, 2012 7:59 PM
Re: [socratescafe-124] Alzheimer's - Let's set aside for a moment the problem of trying to determine whether a machine has consciousness or whether its just doing an incredibly good simulation of so Cecil W. Dec 26, 2012 2:20 PM

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