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The Worst Possible Decision Ever Made

Need to suggest Meetups to keep this group coing!

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  • Linda

    Hi Lynette,
    I would love to know about the location of the UUC .
    Thank you,
    Linda

    October 25, 2013

  • Karen A.

    Thanks Lynett. I've been to the UU for speakers, but not for the regular Sunday events. I also go to the Suncoast Humanist meetings, which shares some members with the UU. They are both nice groups.

    1 · October 25, 2013

  • lynettewoodct

    Yes, you've got it. UUC people tend to be a group of over educated, intelligent, open minded people who love coffee and conversation. They may not agree with you but everyone is polite and respects different opinions. About the only thing we agree on is that everyone loves food. Although we don't agree on what type of food. Ha. Lots of good wit. I love people with a good sense of wit.

    October 25, 2013

  • lynettewoodct

    If anyone is near Clearwater we have discussions like this every Sunday over coffee and cookies. Let me know if you want the location.

    October 25, 2013

    • Jean M.

      I usually go to the St Pete godless brunch every Sunday,--- which I just love!

      but I do live in Clearwater. Are you talking about something at the UU? I am interested To hear more about this.

      October 25, 2013

  • Karen A.

    It was a very intriguing discussion, with many obviously intelligent people. However, it frustrates me that despite great ideas, we never make an effort to do anything to improve/change things. Is that against our group's mission or can we consider moving from just discussion to action?

    2 · October 23, 2013

    • Jean M.

      " a wave is made up of a bazillion

      drops

      of water"

      October 24, 2013

    • lynettewoodct

      Yes it is. We can all make a difference. It always starts with one.

      1 · October 25, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    A wonderful experience, with lots of interesting thoughts and exchanges. So very glad that I was able to make it, with the opportunity to catch up with some old friends and make a few new ones. Definitely worth the time!

    October 23, 2013

  • Linda

    Very interesting!

    October 23, 2013

  • burton s.

    invigorating discussion excellent exchange of ideas, some discussion rambling off the main issue but interchange politely guided back to target by our wise leader!

    1 · October 22, 2013

  • Jean M.

    Great meetup! Yeah, some off topic stuff, but mostly there was a good flow and the topic was brought round again.
    Great group.
    LIked the "after glow" too! ha ha.

    also
    I got there late, so i didn't know if anyone did move the chairs and tables a bit closer,
    but, the chairs did not seem so far apart this time, as they have on previous meetings, was easier for me to hear and see the others. yay.

    October 22, 2013

  • Jean M.

    by the way, when I suggested everyone google the "availability heuristic" I was referring to the phenomenon, when humans see someone they know doing something,
    they seem to assume this is common behavior, (like, "I know someone who abuses food stamps, cuz they have a child and are in college" kind of thing, equals = "lots of people abuse food stamps".
    This might be an example of the "availability heuristic".

    actually, though, if someone is very young+ in college+ with a child, it is probably likely they are in need of food for that child. Hard to imagine anyone more broke, than a young parent in college... I do not think that equates to being a "chronic victim" either. But, I am happy that there are those out there, who are so fortunate that they assume if you are broke, and in need of food stamps, that u must have "bad attitude" ?or something,
    or else you'd be wealthier...? (sorry, I didn't get it either..)

    1 · October 22, 2013

  • Scooter D.

    Great discussion, lots of new faces. Deceptively interesting topic. Look fwd to next month.
    We all send Get Well Soon to Dale the Dork.

    October 22, 2013

  • Wayne S.

    Lively discussion, but we often strayed into discussion of worst events or phenomena rather than decisions.

    October 22, 2013

  • Scooter D.

    Great discussion. Lots of new faces!

    October 21, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    fun, lively discussion with two dozen different viewpoints!

    October 21, 2013

  • Karen A.

    Great discussion. My brain was soooo happy for the exercise and stretching!

    October 21, 2013

  • Jean M.

    so tonight's meetup is at SEVEN PM??? NOT 6:30?
    ...that's not a typo, for real, it's 7pm tonight then? cool, my day went to pieces ha ha

    October 21, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    This book just came out to support my point of view! Mr. Weisman also discusses problems evident due to the number of people thriving (or not) at this time. He then points out what could happen in the future if human growth continues. He deals with both water and food issues because the question is totally valid: what will happen when the water runs out? How will we feed several billion more people. Regarding the rice/corn discussion, it takes a very long time to manipulate food to grow faster or taller or denser so that even growing enough rice will become ever more problematic (my own aside: GMOs are NOT a solution as is becoming more evident plus there is the worry about inserting substances in food that do not belong in food such as pesticides). http://www.amazon.com/Countdown-Last-Best-Future-Earth/dp/0316097756

    October 21, 2013

    • Jean M.

      no argument at ALL that overpopulation IS a pressing problem!! I am sooo high-fiving you, Colin, that yes, yes, that IS a problem.
      but, is it a "decision"...i­f so, by who? Who or when did this "DECISION" get made? By our overwhelming biology that eggs us all on to reproduce? (or at least mate, ha ha)
      Only org I can think of,
      that discourages birth control, is religion.....

      October 21, 2013

    • Jean M.

      ha ha, I did a pun, "eggs us all on..."

      October 21, 2013

  • Bernard S.

    HI.
    Would like to come "if" someone can pick me up- short on gas - call 727 - 687 - 2771
    live near 2901 bay view dr. / 580 highway just before going across safety Habor - bridge.

    October 21, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    I will bring my list of business and political decissions

    October 19, 2013

    • Jean M.

      Colin, aren't you supposed to decide before the meeting?.. Which of the "Decisions" you will out forth as your submission for world's worst decision? Or are you really going to go through your list then decide which
      one decision
      from your long list there
      that you will submit --- you are going to do this During the meeting?

      ??

      October 20, 2013

    • A. Colin F.

      scroll down to September, but I will bring it

      October 21, 2013

  • Kevin

    Maybe next time I'll attend. As for this meetup, the theme is the worst possible topic ever made. I honestly can't think of a more depressing meetup. Good luck.

    October 21, 2013

    • Jean M.

      I mean the decision to have a good attitude, or to have peace in your heart,
      Those decisions are completely up to you, and you alone.
      Come to think of it, those might be some of the most important decisions we make---- the decision to have a good attitude..... Cuz attitude is 90 percent of most everything.


      Some people seem to have almost everything a person could want or need, yet they have a crappy attitude.
      Others would have every right in the world to be miserable, yet they have a marvelous attitude and still see the bright side.

      I think between having a good attitude,
      OR
      Having everything a person could want----I'd rather be the one with the good attitude.

      October 21, 2013

    • A. Colin F.

      oh, it is going to be fun! Lots of educated, different opinions!

      1 · October 21, 2013

  • Karen A.

    Colin,
    I can't find your original list. There were so many intriguing choices on it. Can you repost it?

    October 21, 2013

  • Scooter D.

    I propose an agenda for this session due to its HUGE yet detail scope. I suggest we spend the first 15-20 mins simply go around the room listing our suggestions individually with a brief 1 min justification - no arguing! A second phase to define and (personally) prioritize these root justifications (cultural norms?). Many will rely on total uman deaths, what other measures (hunger? Suffering? etc)? After 30-40 min we freeze criteria, add any new ideas that pop up based on new criterion and subtract ideas that have been 100% "trumped" by others. (Ex: Nazis trump sandanistas). Now, lets go at it with the finalist "bad ideas" and defined criteria, hopefully at least an hour.

    2 · October 17, 2013

    • A. Colin F.

      I think you are the new Organizer, do you want to be the new moderator too?

      October 19, 2013

    • Jean M.

      I have no idea who the moderator will be, but, there is no way to respond to a rebuttal of one's own remark, by another person, is there? cuz your turn to speak again, doesn't come around again, for about 10 more minutes,
      and by then, that point is no longer the topic at hand..

      right?
      And can there be any limits set on how long someone can go on about their own personal life story, if it is not relevant to the topic of the month? Probably most of us think our Families,
      our children,
      our parents' life stories,
      telling stories about our Own educational, geographical, familial, religious, scientific, or occupational backgrounds, (etc etc)
      or our Own Childhoods
      are Very fascinating!!!!!!!!!!! And some of these personal stories actually Are interesting to hear about...

      but, often, such things don't truly relate to the topic of the month....imo.

      October 20, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    I will bring evidence to prove that it is # 27. Failure to address and eradicate global POVERTY, illiteracy, ignorance, population EXPLOSION, increasing energy and natural resource consumption, increasing pollution, increasing global effects of exploding population growth, such as scarce resources, overfishing, climate change, increasing territorial tensions, growing threat of nuclear or chemical warfare and inhumane living conditions!

    October 19, 2013

    • Jean M.

      How did we participate in someone else being "ignorant"???

      I suggest that many of the things in Collins list, do not necessarily fall under the category of "Decisions".

      I have no argument it all that they are all very bad
      "THINGS".

      I feel it is up to Colin (after he narrows down his list, during the meeting apparently, down to just One "decision" that he will put forth as world's worst)
      To then specify Who made the "
      "decision"
      And to explain
      How that decision resulted in the bad things.

      but on the forum, anyone and everyone can jump in, of course, but, if Colin is really going to read a list of bad things, he should be probably *try* to point what DECISION caused those bad things.

      I suggest not every bad thing in the world is the result of a decision. It is possible
      That some things in life are fairly random.

      October 20, 2013

    • Jean M.

      But if we are to just bring in an entire long list,
      Of things in the world that we personally dislike,
      Then I think we should change the title of this topic, to be ""world's­­ Worst THINGS".

      ..... But I'm not sure how much thinking would be involved in just putting together a list of stuff we really don't like.

      .... I kind of thought we were supposed to pick one DECISION
      And explain why that decision is the world's worst decision.
      ?????

      October 20, 2013

  • Carlton C.

    I can't wait to find out the Worst Decision Ever Made

    2 · October 20, 2013

    • Jean M.

      Lol,
      I hope that the worst decision does not turn out to be--->
      .... Choosing "World's worst decision" as our topic for the month! Rolling on floor laughing!

      ( totally just kidding)

      October 20, 2013

  • lynettewoodct

    My poor decision. To leave a great MBA program when I was 3 classes short of graduating because I was laid off. I didn't know no great university would take my credits. I should have taken out a loan and continued. I finished my mba but at an online school not w the degree of accreditation that I would later need. Live and learn.

    1 · October 20, 2013

  • Scooter D.

    This will be fun, each bring ideas, and moral priorities. I'm hooked by the sugg that we end with a vote, not a unanimous jury poll. We can each sell our idea, but don't need convince someone else their personal values are somehow "wrong".

    1 · October 18, 2013

    • Jean M.

      I have no problem debating an idea, which I do not equate with "convincing someone else their PERSONAL VALUES are wrong. I don't believe all ideas are equally valid, though, I really don't.
      However,
      with the group format being what it is, there is no room for "debate", cuz each person gets to say one (1) remark, about every 10 or 15 minutes,
      and there is no way to respond to another person's rebuttal of your remark,
      since your turn won't come around again, for another 10 minutes or so,
      and by then, thet point is no longer the current topic.

      but, I don't see disagreeing, or debating, as same thing, as "convincing someone else their personal values are wrong". I truly don't. Especially if one is striving to maintain a rational discourse, using logic and factual evidence.
      sadly,
      some ideas and remarks, are, actually "wrong".

      October 19, 2013

    • Jean M.

      but, I don't see that as a 'personal' thing, at all. At least, I don't.
      But, some facts, are indeed, wrong. Doesn't mean that person's "personal value system" is wrong, it means their remark is inaccurate or incorrect.

      October 19, 2013

  • Scooter D.

    I would like to ask what makes a decision bad. Causes loss of life? Loss of mankinds' knowledge base? Loss of natural resources. Should we consider the decades ago commercialization of nuclear power and proliferation of nuclear weaponry with no way to ever dispose of the byproducts?

    1 · October 15, 2013

    • Jean M.

      THAT'd be biggie indeed!!!
      Great questions!

      Yes earlier some of us were asking for a definition of "worst"....

      ( this was a week or two ago, so that conversation is probably 6 inches further down the page by now, haha)

      As well as worst for who or what? Worst for children? Worst for dolphins? Worst for the environment? Worst for democracy? Worst for scientific progress? Worst for the planet?( if it was worse for the planet--- then nuclear proliferation would probably "win")

      Worst for who? Or what?

      October 15, 2013

    • A. Colin F.

      its on my list...

      October 19, 2013

  • Jean M.

    Slightly off topic, but, it seems like with only a small tweak to the arrangement of the tables, we could shorten the distance between us as we speak.
    the person speaking, seems to speak a bit loudly, and if you are sitting next to that person, it seems loud-ish,
    while some across the room still might not hear the speaker. Or maybe it is those of us under the AC vents, not sure, but, to me, it feels like we are so so far apart from each other, to be talking to each other, imo.
    I can't see that well anymore, and I can barely make out the other people's facial expressions sitting That far away.

    juuuust a small tweak of the table positions, could solve that, maybe...would only take a moment,
    and only one more moment, to put it all back as it was after the meeting.
    ......just a thought.

    September 17, 2013

    • bob h.

      No fist-fight? NO FIST-FIGHT? Bummer

      1 · October 18, 2013

    • Jean M.

      Good behavior?Awww do we HAVE to?
      Ohhhhh alllll riiiight.....

      October 18, 2013

  • bob h.

    I am perennially confused by words. IMHO a descision is made by one or more people. It is not synonymous with an event or a happening. Please help me now and in the hour...

    2 · September 18, 2013

    • A. Colin F.

      mmm, but why only conscious? Can we "make" unconscious ones? Are those decisions?

      September 19, 2013

    • Jean M.

      My guess to Collins questions about "unconscious" decisions,
      Is,
      That they become "conscious" decisions when we Act on them..... Or carry them out or perform the decision.
      (Even if there were factors in our unconscious that contributed to the decision.)

      1 · October 18, 2013

  • Trude D.

    Among the worst decisions because of its "unforeseen consequences" for decades to come: President Ford's selection of Donald Rumsfeld for his Chief of Staff, and approval of Rumsfeld's choice of Dick Cheney (despite his youthful follies that included 2 self-indulgent, others'-lives-ignoring DUI arrests and convictions) as his Deputy CoS, later becoming CoS when Ford appointed Rumsfeld Secretary of Defense. Thus began a political/business coalition that stoked the military industrial complex's wealth, drained the nation's treasury, and made us the laughing stock of the world while becoming most powerful financial terrorist nation.

    3 · September 18, 2013

    • bob h.

      DECISION! Supreme Court chooses dope addict president. Bush v Gore dec. 12, 2000.

      3 · October 18, 2013

    • Jean M.

      The Very First original appointments of Cheney and Rumsfeld
      Might qualify as a butterfly effect (as I understand the term?)
      But I don't think their behavior and the horrible decisions they plotted out and performed,
      Would qualify as "butterfly"...­ Even *I* saw that hot mess coming, and I'm just some citizen of no account.

      October 18, 2013

  • bob h.

    The CCC has a full-fledged communications/computer center. Not that that's really relevant.

    October 16, 2013

    • Jean M.

      The CCC is almost an hour drive for me, and i'm not sure i'm interested in spending allllllll the time it'd take, to print up alllllllll the documents I could print up, to support my claim, that religion is the worst decision ever made....
      ..........ALSO, i'd imagine, the CCC would be reeeally bummed out to have to replace allll their inkjet cartridges.

      If I just pull it up on the screen at the CCC for others to read, that'd take some time for each person to read it all, and to decide if this link is or is not a valid piece of evidence.
      A computer screen is generally small enough, only a few people can read it at same time...


      but, good to know about the CCC.

      October 17, 2013

    • Brent

      I have to agree with Jean that spending two hours essentially reading isn't what we have TBT meetings for. I think a succinct summary of your evidence should be adequate. I know Katherine will be doing her doctoral dissertation and defense soon, but this is not meant to be a practice session for that, LOL!

      I suggest that anyone who wishes to present lengthy evidence in print bring an abstract - and include information on the source, of course.

      2 · October 17, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    bring your evidence! Advance your arguement! Let's see if anybody agrees. Maybe we can take a vote!

    October 16, 2013

    • Jean M.

      With the price of ink jet cartridges being what they are(shiver!)
      What will we do---- just pull up the website or document on our computer phones,
      And pass our phones around the room?

      No Way can I print up all the thousands of documents I could refer to.

      October 16, 2013

    • Trude D.

      Good logistical question. Does anybody have a laptop and portable projector they could bring? And if so, does that person have their own wifi "hotspot" so we can connect to the Web, or can we get a password to the Center's wifi?

      October 16, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    What about something not related to our own political preferences (I mean seriously Rumsfeld and Cheney are the WORST EVER!?!?)....what about The decision to attack Pearl Harbour....or the exposure of native Americans to small pox.....or something that doesn't make you feel better cause you're attacking one political party? I thought we were "thinkers" but wow...how cliche.

    1 · October 14, 2013

    • Scooter D.

      Pearl harbor is not an event, any more than constantine. It is the spark that lit a long fuse - a fuse that could have been lit by one of many other forthcoming events. We are talking about the allies v axis which resolution rolled directly into the iron curtain and long and costly cold war. Someone else can speak to the balkan issues precediing the first world war whose punative resolution and economic collapse lead to the second. So, upon which 'bad decision' do we place blame this century long chain of events?

      1 · October 15, 2013

    • Jean M.

      Still,
      This was only one (1) century.

      Religion goes back thousands and thousands of years.... And his left no continent unscathed. ( also at the risk of being pedantic, Pearl Harbor was an "event". It was also a catalyst, but it was also an "event." ) I like your remark very much, you made some very good points imo.

      October 15, 2013

  • Katherine S.

    I know that I'm bringing up a similar topic as this past month, but I think that the worst decision ever made was Roman Emperor Constantine's, to make the Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire.

    1 · September 21, 2013

    • Jean M.

      Ooos obvious typos above including gays can not marry in most states.
      Even in 2012! In the USA! A right-wing religious congressman who sits on the Science Committee!? Stood on the floor of the US Senate and stated we do not need to worry about climate change.... "Because God decides when the world will end."

      The last Pope visited an area in Africa ravaged by AIDS and told them it was a sin against God to use a condom.

      October 13, 2013

    • Jean M.

      Its really an endless,
      on going ,
      worldwide,
      Rampant abuse done in the name of gods and religion that has been going on for eons and eons.

      It really is hard to think of any single force that has been as rampant and destructive as religion..... There might be one(?) but I can't think of even a close runner up to religion as such a widespread damaging destructive force....

      October 13, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    please RSVP foe the After Meeting so it shows up on the calender - we go to have a beverage afterwards: http://www.meetup.com/tampa-bay-thinkers/events/140652952/

    October 12, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    Need one more RSVP to put Free Will on calender for November! http://www.meetup.com/tampa-bay-thinkers/events/139459062/

    September 25, 2013

  • burton s.

    I'm a new member, look forward to the October meeting.
    e.mail contact: [masked]

    September 23, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    please RSVP for the topic for November! http://www.meetup.com/tampa-bay-thinkers/events/139459062/

    September 22, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    PLease RSVP for Brent's Meetup suggestion for December to put it up on the calender: http://www.meetup.com/tampa-bay-thinkers/events/141053922/

    September 19, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    25. The Crusades were undertaken by both the Christians and the Muslims for the openly expressed purpose of exterminating the opposing religion along with all its adherents, solely to glorify God.
    26. Jonestown murder-suicide: The event was the largest loss of American civilian life in a non-natural disaster until the September 11, 2001
    27. Failure to eradicate global POVERTY, illiteracy, ignorance and population EXPLOSION!
    28. Expansion of nuclear fuel and weapons.
    29. Growing use of fossil fuels.
    30. Failure to address climate change.
    31. No viable plan to detect and thwart planet killing asteriods.
    32. Overfishing the oceans.
    33. Repeal of Glass-Stegall barrier between banks and brokers.

    August 31, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    great meeting! Lots of discussion. Thanks Scooter Dave for moderating. Maybe somebody could act as Moderator again at this meeting. It turns out TB Thinkers is a member of the center so we get the room for free. Thank you, Dale! Please RSVP for the topic for next month, so it will be on the calender. Please suggest a topic so that we can RSVP and put it on the calender - let's keep this great group going!

    September 16, 2013

  • Brent

    First, define 'worst."

    1 · September 3, 2013

    • A. Colin F.

      exactly, bring this list too

      September 15, 2013

    • A. Colin F.

      bring your suggestion and why you think it is the worst! Maybe we should take a final vote...

      September 16, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    must this be historical, what about personal ones? Aren't they the worst because they effect us the most?

    1 · September 10, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      It starts with one person.

      1 · September 10, 2013

    • Jean M.

      To " . "
      If your remark, //" How do the slavery victims and the holocaust victims should make amends? "//

      was in reply to me?? or in reply to my joke at the end of *my* post, ??
      then I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying.

      1 · September 11, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Did you hear? Workers are striking for an increase from the $7.25 minimum wage. Is that an opportunity to make a good decision?

    1 · September 4, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    19. The Catholic Church held meetings in the 1950s concerning sexual abuse of minors by priests, and yet, apparently nothing was done to prevent the growing disaster. Those people known to have a history of committing sexual abuse against others were knowingly ordained and sent to priestly duties all over the world, not just in the United States, but in England, Ireland, Canada, Belgium, the Philippines, and many other nations.
    20. From 1958 to 1962, China experienced a monumental famine that killed at least 45 million people.
    21. Pol Pot had 2.5 to 3 million murdered. That was 21% of Cambodia’s population.
    22. Bubonic plague’s rise in 1346 due to Europe for its primitive belief in witches.
    23. Dominance of the Church during the Dark Ages.
    24. Josef Stalin’s forced starvation genocide against the Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 of 4 to 5 million.

    August 31, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    10. Supreme Court gutted Voting Rights Act.
    11. The American Civil War.
    12. US entry into WWI.
    13. Eastman Kodak developed the digital camera in 1975 but did not invest in the technology for fear it would undercut sales of its film business.
    14. U.S. Supreme Court ruled in the Dred Scott case that no blacks could ever be U.S. citizens (even free blacks in free states) and that African-Americans had no rights which any white man was bound to respect.
    15. Swiss decision to protect Vatican and allow church to remain.
    16. Constantine's move to unify gospels and thereby organize the church.
    17. US decision to firebomb German and Japanese cities.
    18. Mao Zedong's take-over of China.

    August 31, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    Decca Records passes on the Beatles
    Ford taking too long to revise the aging Model T?
    Ross Perot failing to buy out Microsoft?
    The Defeat of the Spanish Armada (1588)
    The French Invasion of Russia (1812)
    The Vietnam War – 1955 to 1976
    DEC failed to make a timely transition into the market for workstations and personal computers.
    Kmart's tried to compete with discount giant Wal-Mart Stores (WMT) on price.

    August 31, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    Ignoring use of the Gatling at Little Bighorn George A. Custer (June 1876)?

    August 31, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    Soviet Invading Afghanistan (December 1979)?

    August 31, 2013

  • A. Colin F.

    Was it the Supreme Court railroad decision of 1866 conferring the same rights of individuals to inherently sociopathic corporations?

    1 · August 31, 2013

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