Can & Should We Do Something About Climate Change?

Intros & Ideas 6:30 Topic 7 to 8:30 PM 

Please bring what you think we can do and your favorite method for effecting change. 

Be prepared to discuss what will and won't work.

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  • Austin P.

    The earth can take care of itself. It was here before humans were. People need to take care of each other.

    May 19, 2014

    • Austin P.

      What do you think HAARP is for? What do you think chemtrails are for? Even if you don't look into weather modification 'conspiracy's'­ the fact is Earth is a system designed to take care of itself. Earth was here before humanity. But might not be after humanity.... The problem causing global warming isn't cows, it's the fossil fuels being burned. The reason people's lives are at stake because of global warming is because all the destructive technology humans use thinking it's good (i.e. combustion). It's Fukishima pouring out ridiculous amounts of radiation and there are means to clean up the radiation too. Just ignored by mainstream... Did you know.... now here is going to be a big one..... that all (if not most) nuclear reactors are build either on coast lines or fault lines. You know what's going to happen if one solar flare burns out the global electrical grid? World wide nuclear melt down. No more Earth or humanity.

      June 3, 2014

    • Karen A.

      Yes, Austin, all of these are major problems caused by humans that are preventing Earth from taking care of itself. So we discussed ways to stop or curtail these activities, and what we can do to influence others to act too.

      1 · June 3, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    Scientists report that the parasite always kills it host.
    This planet is our host.

    1 · June 3, 2014

  • A. Colin F.

    Courtesy of National Geographic, above is a clip from the new episode, which should have climate deniers fulminating. In it, host Neil deGrasse Tyson uses the analogy of walking a dog on the beach to helpfully explain the difference between climate and weather (pay attention, Donald Trump) and to outline why, no matter how cold you were in January, that's no argument against global warming.

    http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/05/cosmos-tyson-sagan-climate-change-episode

    2 · May 30, 2014

  • A. Colin F.

    So, as a public service, we gathered eight of the most common of these pseudoscientific arguments and asked some serious climate scientists — all working climatologists who have been widely published — to help us understand what makes these claims so misleading.

    http://billmoyers.com/2014/05/16/eight-pseudo-scientific-climate-claims-debunked-by-real-scientists/

    1 · May 25, 2014

  • Ken I.

    Needed a moderator to control the flow of speakers.

    1 · May 20, 2014

    • Brent

      Yes you can! I did, it certainly helps steer the topic back to the original when it goes off on a tangent.

      May 23, 2014

    • A. Colin F.

      I liked the flow, but which we discussed alternatives more

      May 25, 2014

  • A. Colin F.

    We reached out to a handful of scientists, policy experts, writers and activists to ask: “If you could require America to do just one thing — any one thing — to combat climate change in 2014, what would it be?” Here’s what they said:

    http://billmoyers.com/2014/05/16/how-to-save-the-planet/

    May 25, 2014

  • Dee D.

    Interesting information. Disturbing that some think humans can do something about climate change while doing nothing about the continuing human population explosion. Scary lack of logic.

    4 · May 20, 2014

  • Jean M.

    I am so sorry and so disappointed I could not get there. I hear it was very good.

    1 · May 20, 2014

  • A. Colin F.

    very informative discussion

    1 · May 20, 2014

  • Jim P.

    And the answer was YES! A great discussion with real thinkers.

    4 · May 20, 2014

  • Juan L

    I won't be able to make it tonight.

    1 · May 19, 2014

  • Dee D.

    From Colin's article - this is insanity and nothing is going work unless it includes zero or negative human population growth: "Davidson draws on figures from the Food and Agricultural Organization suggesting the world population will reach 8.9 billion by 2050, and that daily per capita calorie intake will also rise to 3130 calories."

    2 · May 18, 2014

  • Jean M.

    And, like some comedian said----(para) What IF all those scientists and researchers ARE wrong??!! What if we clean up our air -------and THEN LATER we discover climate change was "not real" ?--- You mean we cleaned up our AIR for NOTHING?

    5 · April 26, 2014

    • Jean M.

      LOVE Dee's wish there. . Who pays for it? Worldwide i mean. Maybe tug on Warren Buffet's sleeve?? I'd be able to possibly picture free BC in USA paid for by taxes... if we had no Republicans...

      2 · May 7, 2014

    • Dee D.

      Who pays for contraceptives? How about giving up cost of endless wars, space projects, other unnecessary things like earmarks for bridges to nowhere, etc. Less kids = less maternity wards, less schools, less free breakfast/lunch programs, less welfare, less juvenile crime; less adults to be unemployed - why, the downturn in population could pay for itself! Yay!

      3 · May 18, 2014

  • A. Colin F.

    Should we all eat less beef to save humans from climate change? http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-greenhouse-hamburger/

    May 12, 2014

    • Brent

      Finally, a good use for Faux News staff!

      2 · May 12, 2014

  • Jim P.

    Yes we can, and yes we should. Preventing our species from falling into extinction should be a quite agreeable priority for us I would think.
    There are no simple single methods. We will have an opportunity to consider a few of them, including sulfur dioxide aerosols. But a solution to the future will be far more generalized and comprehensive. We still have much to learn.

    2 · May 10, 2014

  • A. Colin F.

    Should we seed the clouds with sulfer? What are the possible solutions?

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/gimme-shelter/can-and-should-we-solve-climate-change/691016570957019

    May 9, 2014

    • A. Colin F.

      I created a list of articles to read.

      May 9, 2014

  • A. Colin F.

    Generally, chemical manufacturers, oil producers, mining producers, timber companies, real estate developers, nuclear power industries, and electric utilities have anti-environmental motives.[1] Anti-environmentalists are generally right-wing with conservative views,[2] however there may be exceptions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-environmentalism

    April 29, 2014

  • A. Colin F.

    climate change is VERY clearly NOT just a short-term weather pattern! Just look at the LONG term charts. Our population is EXPLODING. "Guess it has NO impact on the environment. None what so ever. Climate just happens to be changing, that's all." https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.387222558003090.84416.116451495080199&type=3

    April 27, 2014

  • Jim P.

    There is a great deal of information about the etiology of climate change available. But it is important to remember that this particular topic is only one area of concern. All elements of the natural world have been in one way or another deeply affected by the human presence in our industrial/technological age. The era of our dominance has only existed for less than 200 years by any practical measure. But the pace of our ability to manipulate our environment in a variety of ways is ever accelerating, even now. This has many consequences, only some of which has been realized.
    This should be a good conversation.
    Jim Peterson - Tampa Bay Post Carbon Council

    4 · April 26, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    I was too brief. While there is plenty of objective proof that the planet is warming, I'm very skeptical of those who immediately depict this as something people did. The earth has gone through numerous cold and warm phases long before the industrial age, and long before Homo Sapiens showed up. At one time Siberia had a warm, temperate climate.

    The short answer is that we don't know enough. In the 1970s, climate scientists warned us of a likely ice age. Rather than trying to change a planetary system, our efforts would be better spent in adapting. When we worried that the world was going to end in massive famine, the Green Revolution emerged. All those prophesies of doom from the 1970s didn't happen as predicted. We're not living the world of "Soylant Green." Yes, the glaciers are melting, but Al Gore isn't going to stop it, no matter how much political power he and people like him amass from scaring the living daylights out of people with doomsday scenarios.

    April 25, 2014

    • Jean M.

      //"Most climate scientists agree the main cause of the current global warming trend is human expansion of the "greenhouse effect"1 -- warming that results when the atmosphere traps heat radiating from Earth toward space."// (NASA link to follow)

      April 26, 2014

    • Jean M.

      http://climate.nasa.g...­ I'll find better links next time I get around an actual computer. See, I cannot copy and paste easily in my lil phone....

      April 26, 2014

  • Jean M.

    One small, slightly off-topic aspect concerning oneself with trying to stop climate change----is----- my opinion it calls into play one of the highest level of morality= working towards a goal for the benefit of others. We will be long dead, but we concern ourselves, and Learn, and try to effect improvements---- for the benefit of those who aren't even born yet.... pretty damn COOL (no pun intended)

    April 25, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    The planet is warming, and there's plenty of data to show it, but we really don't know all the reasons behind it. Too many have turned the issue into a political football, and I tend to agree with with pundits who have called Global Warming a new religion.

    April 24, 2014

    • Jean M.

      But I do agree, Tim, some have politicized the topic,
      but, a wise person can still turn to science as a guide, and try to avoid being mislead by those who call this critical problem a "religion". Tim, you have the option of not being sucked in by those who are politicizing it.
      If you ARE able to identify the evidence IS there, Tim, that there IS climate change going on,
      why oh why would you "tend to agree with" pundints who seem eager to dismiss those who are concerned with this huge problem facing our planet? Why agree with those who ARE most definitely politicizing the evidence you seem to admit IS there?

      April 25, 2014

    • Jean M.

      (off topic, but, I secretly wonder if the pundints that Tim uses to gain "info" from, are the same ones who decry a supposed "war on Christmas".
      I only wonder, since these pundits do seem to use the word "religion" as a pejorative, so,
      it would be cute to learn, these same pundits are pro-religion.
      uhm, sorry for dereail...

      April 25, 2014

    • A. Colin F.

      "Let me give you a few examples of how [climate change] might play out ... [Here's one:] We basically do nothing on emissions. Sea level keeps rising, three to six feet by the end of the century. Then, you get a series of super-typhoons into Shanghai and millions of people die. Does the population there lose faith in Chinese government? Does China start to fissure? I'd prefer to deal with a rising, dominant China any day."

      Recognize: Titley also has a few choice words for the majority of Americans who aren't concerned about climate change — which is about 65% of the country — saying they're being misled by a "libertarian agenda that tried to convince the public the science was uncertain."

      April 24, 2014

  • Jean M.

    Pre-emptive post here: (re: the comics coming into my inbox today, not sure whether to respond on this meetup, or the last month)
    As amusing and pertinent as some comics are, I kind of think we should NOT use the MAILING LIST to pass on comments, comics, or discussions.
    I think the mailing list should be used ONLY updates about the group or the event, (like a time change, etc) otherwise it runs the risk of ANOTHER one of those 10 emails per day discussions!

    Maybe discussions--or additions to a previuos discussion---- are best left to the forum or the discussion area? And NOT use the mailing list which goes out to Every member. Ok?

    April 22, 2014

  • Cher

    or as Thomas Friedman prefers to call it ... "Global Weirding."

    2 · April 7, 2014

  • Dee D.

    Effecting change: Free birth control world wide. Nothing else will be adequate if human population containment and preferably reduction is not part of the equation. More than 7 billion of us polluting and devouring the planet. Obviously wars, violence, starvation, pollution, and diseases can't cull the human herd fast enough. Support free contraception availability now.

    2 · April 6, 2014

  • A. Colin F.

    "Though voluntary conservation may be one wedge in an effective carbon-reduction pie, the other wedges will have to be morally boring, like a carbon tax and new energy technologies, or even taboo, like nuclear power and deliberate manipulation of the ocean and atmosphere. Our habit of moralizing problems, merging them with intuitions of purity and contamination, and resting content when we feel the right feelings, can get in the way of doing the right thing."

    March 30, 2014

  • A. Colin F.

    "And nowhere is moralization more of a hazard than in our greatest global challenge. The threat of human-induced climate change has become the occasion for a moralistic revival meeting. In many discussions, the cause of climate change is overindulgence (too many S.U.V.’s) and defilement (sullying the atmosphere), and the solution is temperance (conservation) and expiation (buying carbon offset coupons). Yet the experts agree that these numbers don’t add up: even if every last American became conscientious about his or her carbon emissions, the effects on climate change would be trifling, if for no other reason than that two billion Indians and Chinese are unlikely to copy our born-again abstemiousness. "

    1 · March 30, 2014

  • Brent

    Colin is no longer to be referred to as co-organizer, but by his new title, Chief Naked Grapefruit Picker. (You'll have to ask him to explain, though he might not, not sure about statute of limitations.)

    March 28, 2014

    • Brent

      We should! How else do we get our grapefruits picked?

      March 28, 2014

    • A. Colin F.

      refers to my shirtless picture on Facebook

      March 29, 2014

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