Re: [lpsf] Mayoral forum at Castro Theater TONIGHT - 7-930pm

From: jeremier
Sent on: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 8:48 AM
Sadly, I couldn't make it in time. Thanks for the report. Have to say, a "tax the rich" button is a huge no-no, as far as i am concerned ;)

J

On Aug 9, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Richard Winger <[address removed]> wrote:

thanks for this very interesting report!

A tiny point, is that when someone is in favor of amending Prop. 13, it doesn't necessarily mean that person is advocating raising property taxes.  In theory the person might just be wanting to change the other part of Prop. 13, which says that the legislature can't raise taxes without a 2/3rds vote.  I know one can say that's really the same thing, but technically it isn't.

--- On Tue, 8/9/11, Michael Denny <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Michael Denny <[address removed]>
Subject: RE: [lpsf] Mayoral forum at Castro Theater TONIGHT - 7-930pm
To: [address removed]
Date: Tuesday, August 9, 2011, 7:47 AM

Great report Starchild....thx

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Subject: Re: [lpsf] Mayoral forum at Castro Theater TONIGHT - 7-930pm

Hey Jeremie,

    Did you end up going? Sorry I don't really do texts, and didn't read 
your message.

    It was an interesting event. I was pretty amazed that they managed to 
pack the Castro Theater with virtually a full house, probably at least 
several hundred people. There were some fireworks too, as uninvited 
Green Party candidate Terry Baum showed up and sat in an extra chair 
on stage, refusing to leave unless they arrested her (good for her!) 
They let her stay, and she got to answer a couple questions when other 
candidates ceded some time to her. At one point she ripped into Dennis 
Herrera for refusing as city attorney to allow over 200 votes for her 
as a write-in candidate against Nancy Pelosi to be counted, because 
those voters had written in her name but hadn't connected the arrow on 
the ballot. She's right, that was an incredibly anti-democratic 
decision that flew in the face of common sense.

    Also making an apparently unscheduled appearance as one of the 
candidates on stage (he hadn't been listed on the flier for the event) 
was interim mayor Ed Lee. Lee predictably took potshots from a number 
of the other candidates for breaking his promise not to run for a full 
term as mayor. Of the candidates who went after him, Leland Yee was 
the most confrontational, attacking the independent expenditure 
committee that's mounted the "Run, Ed, Run" campaign in support of Lee 
in strong terms and saying it must be "shut down immediately". Tony 
Hall said he welcomed Lee into the race, but made it a rather 
backhanded approval by adding that he hadn't been surprised by Lee's 
about-face, because he'd believed it was a set-up from the beginning. 
David Chiu, one of the more wishy-washy candidates, imho, settled for 
more vaguely anti-Lee comments like "it's about independence" and that 
the successes he says they'd had at City Hall during the current term 
were "based on fundamental trust".

    The jabs from other candidates were expected, but what surprised me 
is that Lee drew sustained boos from a fairly large number of people 
in the audience the first couple times he tried to speak, and 
intermittently after that. Although I wasn't among those booing, I was 
encouraged by this sign that many San Franciscans, despite what they 
put up with from the political class, still *do* think blatantly 
breaking a key promise is a big deal. I also saw a couple people 
sporting "Lie, Ed, Lie" buttons. Gotta get one of those!  :-)

    Several of the candidates blatantly pandered to the presumed gay-
heavy Castro neighborhood audience. John Avalos claimed he'd just been 
tweeted by someone who'd told him he'd be a great gay mayor (he is 
straight). He also noted the movie theater venue with a quote from 
Lord of the Rings, about how when you're wearing a ring of power, 
you're alone (they'd been asked a terrific question that almost all of 
them ducked, namely when they had taken unpopular stands). During the 
applause for Avalos after his response, I yelled that he should throw 
the ring of power into the volcano.  :-)  It was a pretty spirited 
crowd, so I didn't feel too self-conscious doing it.

    Phil Ting was rather disappointing. I wasn't that familiar with him 
and thought he might be advocating a fairly fiscally conservative 
message, but he made a couple really bad comments in that area, 
including boasting that "I'm one of the few elected officials in 
California who has championed Prop. 13 reform" (read: raising property 
taxes), and claiming that the number one problem with education is 
that "We're not spending any money on schools". You can't make this 
stuff up.

    Right now the candidates I'm most interested in supporting are Terry 
Baum, Tony Hall, or Joana Rees. Rees is still a pretty unknown 
quantity to me. She had a few good-sounding things to say at the 
forum, but was troublingly short on specifics or much of an 
identifiable ideology. Except for the fact that she *hasn't* been in 
politics, she sounded a lot like a career politician hewing to the 
middle. Hall is the most fiscally conservative, but although he can be 
refreshingly frank about many things, like alleging corruption and 
insider cronyism at City Hall, he's rather too much the politician for 
me to be comfortable with him. For instance, he says he's not 
supporting Jeff Adachi's pension reform measure because it doesn't 
include health care, which sounds to me like a very weak excuse to 
avoid taking a stance he thinks will be unpopular. He told the 
audience he wasn't supporting either pension measure, but didn't 
explain publicly what he told me in person, that he didn't think 
Adachi's measure did *enough* to rein in costs (when I asked him if 
his lack of support was because he thought it did too much or too 
little. This is also a former Supervisor who voted to raise his own 
pay. Terry is probably the most liberal candidate; I think she'd be 
excellent on civil liberties, but worry about what she'd do on the 
fiscal side. She was wearing a button saying "Tax the rich". Still, 
the fact that she's such an outsider and would probably shake up the 
status quo more than any of the others makes it tempting to support 
her. If any of this crop would be likely as mayor to, say, stand up to 
federal bullying on marijuana, immigration, war on terror stuff, etc., 
it would be Terry.

    I may post some more notes later, but more likely on [address removed]
. A problem with posting to Meetup is that they don't allow you to 
address a message to multiple lists, which means if I want to send 
something to three Meetup lists, I'd have to send three different 
messages. Consequently I tend to post more on Yahoo. I encourage 
everyone to lobby Meetup to drop this rule, and also the daily posting-
limit rule, by emailing [address removed]. They say these are anti-
spam measures, but I think a better approach would be for them to more 
aggressively go after spammers.

Love & Liberty,
                                ((( starchild )))


On Aug 8, 2011, at 6:22 PM, jeremier wrote:

> Sent a text message, in case you want to meet after (may not be able 
> to make   7)
>
> J
>
> On Aug 8, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Starchild <[address removed]> wrote:
>
>>   The flier lists candidates Alioto-Pier, Avalos, Chiu, Dufty, 
>> Hall, Herrera, Rees, Ting, and Yee, is sponsored by several 
>> different groups, and has a moderator from KPIX. Should be a pretty 
>> big forum, I'll probably check it out. Anybody else want to go? If 
>> so and you'd like to meet up, give me a call at (415) 625-FREE, as 
>> I may not see an email in time.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>                                 ((( starchild )))
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