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P.S. – Re: [EBL-discuss] Free screening of "Unlocking the Cage" at SF main library (Sun. August 20, 1pm) - Preview not available Starchild Aug 16, 2017 2:55 AM
Free speaker event tonight (Weds.) 6-9pm, SF - Preview not available Starchild Aug 16, 2017 2:32 AM
Free Screening of "What The Health" at SF Main Library, 5pm TODAY - There's a free screening this afternoon of "What the Health", a documentary film released earlier this year about the connection between diet and disease, and the collusion of government and voluntary sector industries including pharmaceutical and heal Starchild Jul 19, 2017 11:59 AM
Re: [lpsf] Fwd: [sfbarentersfed] California lawmakers have tried for 50 years to fix the state's housing crisis. Here's why they've failed. - Preview not available Starchild Jul 18, 2017 10:37 PM
Re: [lpsf] Fwd: [sfbarentersfed] California lawmakers have tried for 50 years to fix the state's housing crisis. Here's why they've failed. - My friend Mike in addition to his software work is also a contractor now and he is extremely patient with the planning department so we Philip z. B. Jul 18, 2017 10:18 PM
Fwd: [sfbarentersfed] California lawmakers have tried for 50 years to fix the state's housing crisis. Here's why they've failed. - Preview not available Starchild Jul 18, 2017 4:35 PM
Re: [lpsf] Independence Day - Preview not available Malcolm Jul 5, 2017 2:19 PM
Re: [lpsf] Independence Day - Preview not available Starchild Jul 5, 2017 12:45 PM
Re: [lpsf] Independence Day - Take the parties from the party corporations. Reframe what the Republican Party is in California...it is 5 million republicans. 4.4 m John B. Jul 3, 2017 11:20 PM
Re: [lpsf] Independence Day - Preview not available Malcolm Jul 3, 2017 8:21 PM
Re: [lpsf] Independence Day - Preview not available Starchild Jul 3, 2017 7:28 PM
Re: [lpsf] Independence Day - Most of the people I grew-up with, are libertarians and either Democrats or Republicans. The DNC and RNC treat us all lik John B. Jul 3, 2017 7:16 PM
Re: [lpsf] Independence Day - Disobedience is welcome. Se John B. Jul 3, 2017 7:07 PM
Re: [lpsf] Independence Day - Cool, presuming it would include the libertarian ele Starchild Jul 3, 2017 7:04 PM
Re: [lpsf] Independence Day - "Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves." -Henry David Thoreau [masked]) Malcolm Jul 3, 2017 6:43 PM
RE: [lpsf] Independence Day - Thinking about honoring the spirit with a new Democratic-Republican Party. John B. Jul 3, 2017 6:37 PM
Independence Day - In the original spirit of America's Independence Day Starchild Jul 3, 2017 6:26 PM
Re: [lpsf] TONIGHT - NORML food/music/fun fundraiser to end federal cannabis prohibition (6pm, SF) - The United Coalition of Candidates (UCC) www.international-parliament James O. O. Jul 2, 2017 11:46 AM
TONIGHT - NORML food/music/fun fundraiser to end federal cannabis prohibition (6pm, SF) - Preview not available Starchild Jun 22, 2017 3:17 PM
Fwd: [rt4-national] RT4 update, June 20, 2017 - June 26, 2017 - Passing along the latest national update email from Starchild Jun 20, 2017 7:47 PM
Re: [lpsf] Dungeons & Dragons creator in the eyes of the FBI and Chicken John - Fascinating article. Curious if Chicken John is a member of the LP SF Chapter. Malcolm On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Starchild < Malcolm Jun 15, 2017 8:54 PM
Dungeons & Dragons creator in the eyes of the FBI and Chicken John - Interesting short blog post from C.J. Ciaramella at Reason that's heart-warming to me as a former teen D&D player! Apparently D&D creator Gary Gygax (who died in 2008) was an LP member, and SF's sometimes-libertarian Chicken John was a fan. http://r Starchild Jun 15, 2017 5:53 PM
Re: [ca-liberty] Sun 6/11: "Sanctuary Cities: Pro & Con" - 4th Annual LP of SF panel discussion - Thanks, Elizabeth! Starchild Jun 10, 2017 7:40 PM
Petition for Libertarian Party Bylaws Committee transparency - Please sign this petition to have the Libertarian Party Bylaws Committee operate openly so LP members can see what they're doing instead of holding its discussions in secret: http://www.standunited.org/pet­ition/remove-the-lp-bylaws-com­mittee-members Starchild May 26, 2017 11:35 PM
Re: Libertarian Party of California membership by county - Preview not available Starchild May 9, 2017 4:06 PM
Libertarian Party of California membership by county - Thank you Mimi for this list clearly s Starchild May 9, 2017 3:42 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - Good quote. Appropriate for a discussion list. Thanks. Marcy On May 3, 2017, at 5 Marcy B. May 3, 2017 6:09 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - "The government I live under has been my enemy all my active life. When it has not been engaged in silencing me it has been engaged in robbing me. So far as I can recall I have never had any contact with it that was not an outrage on my dignity and an Malcolm May 3, 2017 5:55 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - Marcy, It's the same harangue, different words :-) John John B. Apr 26, 2017 1:49 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - I wasn't alive then. We could try Bush, Clinton, Obama, etc, becoming the most imprisoned nation on Earth? There's p John B. Apr 26, 2017 1:49 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - Preview not available Marcy B. Apr 25, 2017 6:58 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - Wow Pot Pol, where's the standard Hitler reference. Is he getting played out? On Apr 25,[masked]:35 PM, "John Bechtol" < Doug R. Apr 25, 2017 6:51 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - I we we're not looking for political welfare, we would not be complaining about the political conditions, given to us by others. John B. Apr 25, 2017 6:47 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - Preview not available Marcy B. Apr 25, 2017 6:40 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - It's an absurdity in line with the absurdity of expecting political welfare from those who don't have it to give it. For the ti John B. Apr 25, 2017 6:35 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - ???? MN Malcolm Apr 25, 2017 6:10 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - So....you won't vote for one or the other so Pol Pot can decide about genocide. Nice! John B. Apr 25, 2017 5:15 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - Maybe. But I personally will NEVER vote for a Democrat or Republican because I'm against this folly of perpetual war. Malcolm Apr 25, 2017 4:40 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - Hmmm...that would seem to say libertarians are Democrats and Republicans. John B. Apr 25, 2017 3:55 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - "Elect a Democrat or a Republican and the wars will continue." -Jesse Ventura Malcolm Apr 25, 2017 2:16 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - Sent from my T-Mobil Malcolm Apr 25, 2017 2:15 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - What happens to libertarians when they pay taxes and support violence? John B. Apr 25, 2017 2:02 PM
Re: [lpsf] Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - "A libertarian is a person who believes that no one has the right, under any circumstances, to initiate force against another human being, or to advocate or delegate its initiation. Those who act consistently with this principle are libertarians, whet Malcolm Apr 25, 2017 11:37 AM
Reason: If U.S. voters in the 2016 presidential election could vote again today, here's how the election would go (poll) - Preview not available Starchild Apr 24, 2017 4:13 PM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [lpsf-activists] Re: [lpsf-discuss] Another Wiener/Chiu/Ting town hall meeting (Sat. April 22, 2pm, 198 McAllister St.) - Senator Scott Wiener is part of the problem. "The moment you declare a set of ideas to be immune from criticism, satire, derision, or contempt, freedom of thought becomes impossible." -Salman Rushdie "Elect a Democrat or a Republican, and the w Malcolm Apr 21, 2017 10:49 PM
Re: [lpsf-activists] Re: [lpsf-discuss] Another Wiener/Chiu/Ting town hall meeting (Sat. April 22, 2pm, 198 McAllister St.) - Preview not available Starchild Apr 21, 2017 9:01 PM
Re: [lpsf-discuss] Another Wiener/Chiu/Ting town hall meeting (Sat. April 22, 2pm, 198 McAllister St.) - Hi Starchild Thanks for these announcements. The eve Marcy B. Apr 21, 2017 8:45 PM
Another Wiener/Chiu/Ting town hall meeting (Sat. April 22, 2pm, 198 McAllister St.) - Preview not available Starchild Apr 21, 2017 8:34 PM
Town Hall with state legislators Phil Ting, David Chiu, and Scott Wiener (April 22, 2-4pm, SF) - Preview not available Starchild Apr 20, 2017 12:57 AM
Re: [lpsf] Corrupt ex-cop tried to frame political opponent of police and other govt. unions - Preview not available Malcolm Mar 23, 2017 7:24 PM
Re: [lpsf] Corrupt ex-cop tried to frame political opponent of police and other govt. unions - Preview not available Starchild Mar 23, 2017 3:44 PM
Re: [lpsf] Corrupt ex-cop tried to frame political opponent of police and other govt. unions - "Sooner or later the people in this country are going to realize the government doesn't give a fuck about them. The government doesn't care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare or your safety. it simply doesn't give a fuck about Malcolm Mar 23, 2017 11:45 AM
Re: [lpsf] Corrupt ex-cop tried to frame political opponent of police and other govt. unions - "Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business." Malcolm Mar 23, 2017 7:44 AM
Corrupt ex-cop tried to frame political opponent of police and other govt. unions - Preview not available Starchild Mar 22, 2017 10:50 PM
Re: [lpsf] Geolibertarian land reform - Preview not available Starchild Mar 15, 2017 1:29 AM
Re: [lpsf] Geolibertarian land reform - I'm not married. Your position on some issues are offensive. This is one of them. It doesn't need to be the next genocide, John B. Mar 15, 2017 12:55 AM
Re: [lpsf] Geolibertarian land reform - Preview not available Starchild Mar 15, 2017 12:11 AM
Re: [lpsf] Geolibertarian land reform - So according to your proposal, the Native Americans owed the poor people of world, even while the Native American's stewardship maintained pristine John B. Mar 14, 2017 11:20 PM
Re: [lpsf] Geolibertarian land reform - Preview not available Starchild Mar 14, 2017 3:25 PM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism fits on the political map - Well anyway that was interesting spirited philosophical talk I hardly get to engage in normally thanks for that On Mar 14,[masked]:53 PM, "Thomas Randle" < Doug R. Mar 14, 2017 1:33 PM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism fits on the political map - I hope not, otherwise I clearly don't own myself 😂 May be another Tom R Thomas R. Mar 14, 2017 12:53 PM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism fits on the political map - I think its getting there. Then where does one draw the line is the question. Von meinem iPhone gesendet Am[masked] u Thomas R. Mar 14, 2017 12:51 PM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism fits on the political map - I met Tom Randle in Petaluma yesterday. Was that you? John B. Mar 14, 2017 12:03 PM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism fits on the political map - Rights and ownership are not mutually interchangeable, I don't think you can arbitrarily just say the operational terms are interchangeable. The United States Constitution actually does not contain any specific provisions regarding Doug R. Mar 14, 2017 11:55 AM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism fits on the political map - Whatever self is, the operational term is ownership. There is ownership of whatever it is or there not ownership of whatever it is. John B. Mar 14, 2017 11:37 AM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism fits on the political map - Hm. I would say Libertarianism is more defined by self-determination than a concept of self-ownership.  For example you have the prerogative to commit suicide but not the unlimited right to do so without consequence. Sui Doug R. Mar 14, 2017 11:16 AM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism fits on the political map - Thanks Doug, I agree with your points however they focus on the market fai Thomas R. Mar 14, 2017 10:44 AM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism fits on the political map - Think about it this way with selling bone marrow and organs - the government sets the price of organs at $0 far below the implicit equilibrium market price. Every economist would agree that under these conditions, shortage exists. The quant Doug R. Mar 14, 2017 9:02 AM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism fits on the political map - Rewritten below: Sent from John B. Mar 14, 2017 8:56 AM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism fits on the political map - Where does one divide the definitions between "self" and "your body"? For example, can you justify being allowed to sell bone marrow (a Thomas R. Mar 14, 2017 8:51 AM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - Did Native Americans have the right to defend their borders and use their land as they saw fit? John B. Mar 14, 2017 8:28 AM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - That was not covered and is a very good point. I would also add those who consider themselves "geolibertarians" might be persuaded by Georgism economic perspective over rents on unimproved lands as well. Doug R. Mar 14, 2017 8:00 AM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism fits on the political map - Preview not available Starchild Mar 14, 2017 1:30 AM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - Forgive me if this has already been covered, as I have not read the whole thread. Walter Block advocates the homesteading of unimp Philip z. B. Mar 13, 2017 9:33 PM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism fits on the political map - Self and property are as different as thought and material. Ownership is a relationship to either or both. And it is not because self John B. Mar 13, 2017 8:14 PM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism fits on the political map - Preview not available Starchild Mar 13, 2017 5:06 PM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - A left-leaning Libertarian might support poor people's squatting on government or abandoned property (a right-leaning Libertarian might not), so there's a spectrum of thought on the property rights issue. Doug R. Mar 13, 2017 5:03 PM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism fits on the political map - Interesting....there is no mention by Starchild, of self ownership as the foundation of Libertarian conduct. The non-aggression princ John B. Mar 13, 2017 4:50 PM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism fits on the political map - Preview not available Starchild Mar 13, 2017 4:39 PM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - Philosophically Libertarianism is derived from a belief in property rights. That is what, in my opinion, defines left and right: a belief in proper Angelo V. Mar 13, 2017 4:18 PM
Re: [lpsf] Where libertarianism falls on the political map - Preview not available Starchild Mar 13, 2017 4:18 PM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - The chart is flawed because the left-right political spectrum is inaccurate. Conservatives can often be more statist than liberals.\ " "We s Doug R. Mar 13, 2017 4:14 PM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - The Nolan chart is one overly simplistic political chart, however others show libertarianism as clearly right Wing. Angelo V. Mar 13, 2017 4:04 PM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - Preview not available Starchild Mar 13, 2017 3:58 PM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - Preview not available Starchild Mar 13, 2017 3:55 PM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - Preview not available Starchild Mar 13, 2017 3:38 PM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - Libertarianism is a right wing ideology completely. And as far as immigration is concerned, as long as we have a state it must at least defend thos Angelo V. Mar 13, 2017 3:17 PM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - The only thing I take issue with is going to Peter Thiel's private residence.  Using the line "well he was not home" only shows that you know is not right.... -Jesse Jesse L. Mar 13, 2017 3:15 PM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - Preview not available Starchild Mar 13, 2017 3:08 PM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - This is the exact issue in San Francisco. Tour buses and vans are strictly prohibited on certain public Malcolm Mar 13, 2017 3:04 PM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - There's a name for people like this, it's called hypocrites. Malcolm Mar 13, 2017 11:50 AM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - "Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, and I'm changing myself." Malcolm Mar 13, 2017 11:50 AM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - Some libertarians are joining communists to condemn property rights and compell access for all publics, to all US publically-owned property. John B. Mar 13, 2017 8:12 AM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - Preview not available Starchild Mar 13, 2017 3:07 AM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - Preview not available Starchild Mar 13, 2017 2:56 AM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - Preview not available Starchild Mar 13, 2017 2:45 AM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - Preview not available Starchild Mar 13, 2017 1:56 AM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - John,  California has approximately  $350 Billion in unfunded liabilities for its public employee pension program and another $300 Billion in estimated infrastructure repair/replacement for the cr Lee B. Mar 13, 2017 12:36 AM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - U.S. land, not privately owned, is mostly owned by the U.S. public. All government land is owned by U.S. public. Why do you den John B. Mar 13, 2017 12:24 AM
Re: [lpsf] Re: [ba-liberty] Starchild speaking at protest over Palantir's collaboration with Trump on surveillance technology - You don't seem to live in the real world, Starchild. Like or not, nations have real borders and real laws regarding immigrantion. Fly to Iran and sneak in. Tell them they don't have borders Lee B. Mar 12, 2017 11:58 PM

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