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GWH Discussion - Follow up of January 14th Presentation

  • Jan 26, 2014 · 2:00 PM
  • UU Church of Worcester

GWH Discussion – Dr. Louise Antony’s Presentation

GWH will be having a follow up discussion on Sunday, January 26th, led by Peter Ringo.  The topic of discussion will be the presentation given by Dr. Antony on January 14th – a critique and follow-up of her ideas.

We currently have eight (8) people attending and room for twelve (12) more.  We will meet in the lounge of the UU Church from 2 – 5 pm.

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  • Tim

    Peter Ringo did an excellent job moderating the discussion.

    1 · January 27, 2014

  • Peter R.

    Sorry to miss you. I thought it went pretty well. 10-12 people came.

    January 26, 2014

  • Peter R.

    The video on the winterynight page says it's private when I click on it. If others can't get to it either, here are a working video, along with an audio link, and a transcript of the Craig-Antony debate to which I think the winterynight commentary refers ("Is God Necessary for Morality"): http://www.reasonablefaith.org/media/craig-vs-antony-university-of-massachusetts, http://transcriptvids.com/v/6wKkbquUDSM.html. The transcriptvids video has some weird commentary on it, so I would watch the one on the first or a different page (a google search shows there are quite a few). Critiques of this talk in addition to the winterynight one are easy to find as well.

    1 · January 25, 2014

  • Peter R.

    Sure, why not. This give me the idea that perhaps we should preface the discussion with a brief synopsis of Dr. Antony's presentation.

    January 24, 2014

  • David B.

    I wasn't there for Dr. Antony's presentation. Can I come to the follow-up?

    January 24, 2014

  • Peter R.

    Oops--I think that was Missouri.

    January 23, 2014

  • Peter R.

    Good point, Tim. I'll make note of this, and please also feel free to bring it up when we make our list of aspects we want to cover. I'd like to say in response at this time that while science/scientific thought/scientific method/etc. (terms to be defined) can underpin and greatly inform an atheist philosophy/world view, they are not equivalent to this world view. In other words, I think it's important to note that a person can be an atheist without knowing a thing about science (e.g., "I'm from Mississippi--prove it!") and that the main topic we're discussing has to do with atheism, not with science per se.

    January 23, 2014

  • Tim

    I think one of the problems with discussion with the speaker concepts was that she threw out the word science, scientific thought and scientific inquire without a clear definitions of what they constitutes. I think some of the discussion bogged down because we each had difference. It might be helpful for us to discuss such definitions.

    January 23, 2014

  • Peter R.

    Excellent idea, Julie, and thank you for the links. Also, before we start the actual discussion, we will be making a list of aspects of the topic we want to cover as well as a list of ground rules (or guidelines, if you prefer) for discussion. If folks want to think about those ahead of time and/or make their own lists, that would be good as well.

    January 23, 2014

  • Julie W.

    i would suggest that people might like to do some research before the meeting. Trying to find information regarding the areas of concern would help the group have a more effective and, perhaps, less emotional discussion. A couple of examples: http://bigthink.com/devil-in-the-data/can-science-be-trusted and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mismeasure_of_Man

    January 23, 2014

  • Peter R.

    By the way, the discussion is scheduled for 2-4 pm, not 2-5 pm. This is the time slot I reserved the room for, anyway. 3 hours seems a bit long, and folks could probably hang out after 4 pm if they wanted to.

    January 23, 2014

  • Peter R.

    I requested this conversation because I felt that this topic was important to discuss in more detail than we had time for the other night. I personally did not feel greatly dissatisfied by the presentation, although I did think there were weaknesses in it--sweeping generalizations being the most obvious. Rather than putting down science in general, I understood the speaker to be criticizing “bad science” and unethical uses of science. However, since her statements were frequently broad, this was not always clearly stated, and I recognize that others may have picked up on an underlying prejudice that I was not attuned to. On Sunday, there will be opportunity to critique the presentation, of course, but I hope that our focus will eventually settle on the broader issue of the perception of dogmatism within atheism, however we want to flesh that out. I will do my best to encourage a balanced, rational, respectful, and thoughtful discussion, which I very much hope we can have.

    Peter

    January 23, 2014

  • Brian K.

    Not sure if I have the time to attend, but I'd like to! I went away from that meeting feeling dissatisfaction with the speaker, the rebuke of 'science', etc. I will try and fit it in, but won't rsvp a yes just yet. Thanks for the opportunity for discussion

    January 21, 2014

  • Robyn F.

    Hi Julie - This is usual - this was set up at the request of Peter Ringo. Apparently several people felt that there were sweeping statements made that need discussion. I don't know what the focus will be.

    January 21, 2014

  • Julie W.

    Robyn, this seems unusual. Has this been done before? What is the focus? Thanks, Julie

    January 21, 2014

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