Re: [yiddish-31] Fwd: העברה: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: איך מתחילה הסקלרוזה . . .באידיש (וגם בעברית)

From: ruth s.
Sent on: Sunday, December 23, 2012 2:15 PM
I'd suggest returnig to Yiddish and deciding whether the point for the group is to practice conversation or something else with the language and, finally, to avoid arguments and anything negative. There may or may not be a future for Yiddish, but there should be a decision as to where the group is headed. 
Ruth

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From: Lee <[address removed]>
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec[masked]:08:55 
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Subject: Re: [yiddish-31] Fwd: העברה: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: איך מתחילה הסקלרוזה . . .באידיש (וגם בעברית)

The doggerel in Yiddish (and Hebrew, where there is "no choice") is 
about the "sclerosis" of aging -- so naturally it is in Yiddish -- and 
about the inability to micturate or defecate --  so the Yiddish  
vocabulary must uniquely suit this topic. Everyone knows what pishn and 
kakn are. Really, not the best material to learn Yiddish from 
(especially for beginners).

I personally would like to see more Yiddish text shared here, but not 
like this one.

YSR wrote:
> maybe it's something anyone would like to focus on? I can teach you 
> how to read the letters, it's pretty simple. I'm in NYC.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee <[address removed]>
> To: yiddish-31 <[address removed]>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 23,[masked]:18 pm
> Subject: Re: [yiddish-31] Fwd: העברה: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: איך מתחילה 
> הסקלרוזה . . .באידיש (וגם בעברית)
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> The subject line is 'How does the "sclerosis" start .... in Yiddish' and 
> there is
> (non-standard spelling) Yiddish doggerel below that, with a Hebrew 
> version as well. It looks like it has already been circulating among 
> Hebrew speakers who have some Yiddish 'nostalgia.'
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> Especially on a "Yiddish" group like this one, we should all know what 
> they say about nostalgia, that it just ain't what it used to be. Better 
> you should go read Philologos' latest article on Yiddish 
> http://forward.co...­ .
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> It's a shame that the first real Yiddish text in Hebrew characters on 
> this list (that I've seen) is something like this. The poster probably 
> meant it merely to be amusing rather than insulting to those who can't 
> read it ... and to those who can. Among ourselves, we can make fun of 
> ourselves, if it is really US we're making fun of. The poster's humor 
> here was, at least, self deprecating as well.
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> Every now and then, I come across far worse stuff like this "about" 
> Yiddish. It obviously doesn't take much, if any, knowledge of Yiddish to 
> repeat them. Most people who actually read and speak the language 
> usually smile politely and excuse themselves to get away as quickly as 
> possible. Too often, consciously or not, there is a mocking subtext to 
> such things: WE who, possibly, can recognize the words (or might, if we 
> could read the Hebrew letters) are so "self-evidently" superior to THEM 
> (who don't know and can't do any better) that WE are entitled to 
> ridicule them using half-remembered words from their language. Those who 
> offer such Yiddish 'nostalgia' need to know what it is they think they 
> are "remembering."
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> YSR wrote:
> >  the first word is 'ikh' ('I' in Yiddish) and the last word after the 
> > ellipsis is 'b'yiddish' ('in yiddish'). The rest is Hebrew.
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> > From: Paul A. Mandel <[address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>>
> > To: yiddish-31 <[address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>>
> > Sent: Sat, Dec 22,[masked]:20 pm
> > Subject: Re: [yiddish-31] Fwd: העברה: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: איך מתחילה 
> > הסקלרוזה . . .באידיש (וגם בעברית)
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> > I can''t read this.  Perhaps you can give me some private lessons.
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> > Paul
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> > On 12/22/12, rivka jacinto <[address removed] <mailto:[address removed]> <mailto:[address removed] <mailto:[address removed]?>>>­ wrote:
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> > > Subject: Fw: העברה: Fw: Fw: Fw:Fw: איך מתחילה הסקלרוזה . . .באידיש
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> > >                         הָאבִּי גֶעזוּנְט...העיקר הבריאות!!!!!!
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> > > לחובבי היידיש... ויש גם תרגום למי שאינו מבין...
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> > > איך מתחילה הסקלורוזה              ...?
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> > > וִי אָזוֹי הַייבּצֵאך אוֹיפ              אַ יִידִישֵע סקלֵרוֹזַע?
> > >               דֵער קוֹפּ הָאיִיבּט אוּן צִי מִישן
> > >               אוּנד מֵעקענִישט פִּישן
> > >               דִי בָּאיִינֵער הָאיִיבֵּען אוֹיפ צִי קנָאקען
> > >               אוּנד מֵעקֵענִישט קָאקען
> > >               דִי פִיס הֵעיירֵען אוֹיף צִי גֵעיין
> > >               אוּנד דֵער פּוֹץ קֵענִישט שטֵעיין
> > >               דוֹס אִיז טָאקֵע דֵער אָנפַאנג פוּן יִידִישֵער סקלֵרוֹזַע !!
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> > >               איך נתאר סקלרוזה יהודית?
> > >               הכי טוב באידיש הבלעדית,
> > >               אבל אפשר גם בעברית אם אין ברירה:
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> > > ראשך מתפוצץ מכאב נורא,
> > >               והגרוע מכל קרה –
> > >               אתה ממתין וממתין וממתין
> > >               ובשום אופן לא יכול להשתין...
> > >               עצמותיך נוקשות זו לזו וקשה להסתבן
> > >               ולא פחות חמור – קשה לך לחרבן...
> > >               רגליך מקשות עליך לצעוד בכיף
> > >               ומה נאמר על השמוק? – הוא מתקשה להזדקף!
> > >               זוהי בקיצור, בצורה מעובדת
> > >               איך הסקלרוזה בגופנו עובדת
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> > > אִם היא 'יהודית'              בזכות האידיש
> > >               [וכאשכנזי אסלי לכך איני אדיש]
> > >               או אולי נאמר 'ישראלית'
> > >               [מה זה משנה ולאיזה תכלית?]
> > >               העיקר נשיר בקול גדול ונחרוזה:
> > >               אי,אי,אי רוזה שלי, סקלרוזה!
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> > > תרגום, עיבוד ואיבוד
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