Re: [yiddish-31] Fwd: העברה: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: איך מתחילה הסקלרוזה . . .באידיש (וגם בעברית)

From: Adela
Sent on: Monday, December 24, 2012 3:26 PM
I don’t know what leynkrayz" is but I vote for this suggestion:   
 
<<The most labor-intensive, logistically hard, and most educationally
rewarding kind of meeting for some subset of the group membership could
be a "leynkrayz" -- some already exist in a number of places in NYC. A
Yiddish text is selected and prepared by all before the meeting and read
and discussed in English (or in Yiddish) at the meeting. Some good
reference books would required, but no "blessings" from any academic
"priesthoods.">>
 
In addition, as I mentioned it twice.... (hehehe) if someone finds a centrally located place in Manhattan to see it, I have a DVD of the 1938 film “The Singing Blacksmith” (“Yankl der Shmid”) in Yiddish with English titles, 105 minutes, that we could view/listen. Then ask questions (of Mike who seems to know more of Yiddish) and discuss, etc.  But the only days I can do it is Monday, Wednesday and Friday at any (reasonable) time.  Some Sundays too.
 
Adela   :o)
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee
Sent: Sunday, December 23,[masked]:32 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [yiddish-31] Fwd: העברה: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: איך מתחילה הסקלרוזה . . .באידיש (וגם בעברית)
 
To me, the purpose of the group is to bring people together to use (and
improve) their Yiddish. According to Meetup, there have been occasional
get-togethers scheduled for the group. I personally haven't attended
them yet -- there was one recently that I wanted to attend even though I
had already seen Avi Hoffman's "Too Jewish" -- and I haven't seen much
feedback about them recently by those who did. I do know personally that
there are a number of Yiddish 'keners' on the large mailing list of this
group and I hope that there are quite a few more whom I haven't met yet.
 
There are a lot of language-oriented groups on Meetup and most probably
expect at least some knowledge of the language concerned from those who
participate in their events. According to what Mike wrote on a recent
thread " most of the members of ths group have little knowledge of
Yiddish, some more than others."  He goes on to say "We're all here to
learn." OK. Let's work on that.
 
How's this for a not-so-new suggestion: There are still a lot of
"Yiddish" events that don't require a lot of Yiddish knowledge (or that
offer subtitles or other help). These are obviously the best bets for
meetups and could provide time for both English and Yiddish socializing,
but events are not easy to plan or even select. I can't speak for him
but I'd think Mike might welcome your suggestions and help.
 
The most labor-intensive, logistically hard, and most educationally
rewarding kind of meeting for some subset of the group membership could
be a "leynkrayz" -- some already exist in a number of places in NYC. A
Yiddish text is selected and prepared by all before the meeting and read
and discussed in English (or in Yiddish) at the meeting. Some good
reference books would required, but no "blessings" from any academic
"priesthoods."
 
The choice of events can be polarizing, as we've seen. I remember noting
last year that some Hebrew speakers in that language group objected to
going to see "Ajami," an Israeli  movie with a particular political
viewpoint that was not "congenial" to all. It can't always be "sweetness
and light" for everyone but one-sided presentations of political
viewpoints are probably not a good idea even when the option remains of
missing those meetings. Kitsch and catering to the lowest common
denominator is not the answer either.
 
If you post in Yiddish (using Hebrew letters or in transliteration), I'm
sure a "simultaneous" translation (like the Russians used to manipulate
at the UN) would be appreciated.
That's what I'd like to see more of, because it is a lot easier than
planning a face-to-face event, although I'd definitely like those too.
For those can do that, it would mean online public (group)
conversations, and for those who really want to learn, it would be a
painless opportunity to do so. The quality of the content would also
make a big difference.
 
 
 
ruth shapiro wrote:
>  I'd suggest returnig to Yiddish and deciding whether the point for
>  the group is to practice conversation or something else with the
>  language and, finally, to avoid arguments and anything negative.
>  There may or may not be a future for Yiddish, but there should be a
>  decision as to where the group is headed. Ruth
>
>  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>  -----Original Message----- From: Lee <[address removed]> Sender:
>  [address removed] Date: Sun, 23 Dec[masked]:08:55 To:
>  <[address removed]> Reply-To: [address removed] Subject: Re:
>  [yiddish-31] Fwd: העברה: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: איך מתחילה הסקלרוזה . .
>  .באידיש (וגם בעברית)
>
>  The doggerel in Yiddish (and Hebrew, where there is "no choice") is
>  about the "sclerosis" of aging -- so naturally it is in Yiddish --
>  and about the inability to micturate or defecate --  so the Yiddish
>  vocabulary must uniquely suit this topic. Everyone knows what pishn
>  and kakn are. Really, not the best material to learn Yiddish from
>  (especially for beginners).
>
>  I personally would like to see more Yiddish text shared here, but not
>  like this one.
>
>  YSR wrote:
> > maybe it's something anyone would like to focus on? I can teach you
> >  how to read the letters, it's pretty simple. I'm in NYC.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Lee <[address removed]> To:
> > yiddish-31 <[address removed]> Sent: Sun, Dec 23, 2012 12:18 pm
> >  Subject: Re: [yiddish-31] Fwd: העברה: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: איך מתחילה
> > הסקלרוזה . . .באידיש (וגם בעברית)
> >
> > The subject line is 'How does the "sclerosis" start .... in
> > Yiddish' and there is (non-standard spelling) Yiddish doggerel
> > below that, with a Hebrew version as well. It looks like it has
> > already been circulating among Hebrew speakers who have some
> > Yiddish 'nostalgia.'
> >
> > Especially on a "Yiddish" group like this one, we should all know
> > what they say about nostalgia, that it just ain't what it used to
> > be. Better you should go read Philologos' latest article on Yiddish
> >
> > http://forward.com/articles/167972/when-to-call-a-schmuck-a-schmuck/
> > .
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> > It's a shame that the first real Yiddish text in Hebrew characters
> > on this list (that I've seen) is something like this. The poster
> > probably meant it merely to be amusing rather than insulting to
> > those who can't read it ... and to those who can. Among ourselves,
> > we can make fun of ourselves, if it is really US we're making fun
> > of. The poster's humor here was, at least, self deprecating as
> > well.
> >
> > Every now and then, I come across far worse stuff like this "about"
> >  Yiddish. It obviously doesn't take much, if any, knowledge of
> > Yiddish to repeat them. Most people who actually read and speak the
> > language usually smile politely and excuse themselves to get away
> > as quickly as possible. Too often, consciously or not, there is a
> > mocking subtext to such things: WE who, possibly, can recognize the
> > words (or might, if we could read the Hebrew letters) are so
> > "self-evidently" superior to THEM (who don't know and can't do any
> > better) that WE are entitled to ridicule them using half-remembered
> > words from their language. Those who offer such Yiddish 'nostalgia'
> > need to know what it is they think they are "remembering."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > YSR wrote:
> >> the first word is 'ikh' ('I' in Yiddish) and the last word after
> >> the ellipsis is 'b'yiddish' ('in yiddish'). The rest is Hebrew.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Paul A. Mandel
> >> <[address removed] <mailto:[address removed]>>
> >> To: yiddish-31 <[address removed]
> >> <mailto:[address removed]>> Sent: Sat, Dec 22, [masked]:20 pm
> >> Subject: Re: [yiddish-31] Fwd: העברה: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: איך מתחילה
> >>  הסקלרוזה . . .באידיש (וגם בעברית)
> >>
> >> I can''t read this.  Perhaps you can give me some private
> >> lessons.
> >>
> >> Paul
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> >> On 12/22/12, rivka jacinto <[address removed]
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