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RE: [atheists-501] Worrying times for democracy in Australia

From: Stephen P.
Sent on: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:12 PM



May I say I respect your right to disagree! In fact I welcome an apposing point of view, but I also expect in return to be able to express mine without personal comments like being told to “F myself’, being vilified or be branded a Right winger. I am in the main politically centrist, currently unregistered as a voter and plan like last election not to vote as nether party has gained my interest.

Just out of interest the online polls are running about 70% in favour of my position. I don’t expect that those poll results will change your mind but likewise I am not going to yield to this group’s alleged consensus, according to you, either as I don’t need the Groups approval. Who was it that said “a truly mature society is one in which it is safe to hold an unpopular opinion”. I though my original comment fairly benign, I could have said Martins comment was very ignorant in view of how the law actually works and his view on the separation of powers just plain wrong and paranoid but I was not trying to be incendiary. After all cannot the minister’s decision be overruled by a court of appeal!

I have seen many group studies show in order to avoid or in the face of peer disapproval people will change there original position. My suggestion to you is this is the reason why I received 3 emails in my in-tray off list (including the person who told me about this group) and one during the string supporting my point of view. I hardly think you can speak for the whole group nor should you. Further you do not have the right to accuse them of than “skulking off or tittering behind closed doors”, not that they give a shit what you think anyway, but there again you have the right to believe what you prefer to be true.

If as a group you are not going to tolerate an alternate or centrist point of view call yourselves the Left Wing Atheists of Brisbane so you are not being deceptive. Tell everyone you are intolerant and narrow minded before they join and don’t give me this crap about most atheists being left leaning because that has been proven statistically to be bullshit! At the end of the day Vonnie your attitude is extremely hypocritical, after all is it not freedom of speech a human right defended and exercised loudly by the left.

Stephen Pearce

-----Original Message-----
From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Vonnie
Tuesday, 17 July 2007 6:57 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: RE: [atheists-501] Worrying times for democracy in


For what it's worth, I agree with Martin, Graham and Julian and very much disagree with Stephen's opinions on this matter.  


Apart from being a gross violation of human rights, it's yet another of the Howard government's famous last-ditch-fear-mongering-vote-grabbing tactics which, hopefully, the plebs won't fall for... again...  


And as for Stephen's claims "Thank you those members who contacted me off list embarrassed by Julian's postings" - I don't believe those members exist and, if they did, surely they would post to the list, rather than skulking off, tittering behind closed doors?  Not the kind people for whom I'd have any respect.  If they existed...


Sure, Julian's postings were heated.  But, compared to other groups, actually pretty tame.


Stephen, you must understand that most atheists do not subscribe to right-wing "ideals".  You are entitled to your opinion, but do not act surprised when that opinion is very strongly opposed by the majority of members here. 


There is no proof whatsoever that Haneef is a terrorist, has ever been a terrorist, has ever plotted with terrorists or ever wants to be a terrorist.  


Ignorance abounds.

Next, it'll be "persecute the godless because they have no morals or ethics".  Sheesh. 




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