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Re: [webdesign-396] New Event: Plan our website Stage 3

From: Aoirthoir An B.
Sent on: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:38 PM
Chris, the West Side doesnt get that lake effect so much. It kind of skips over us. But soon I will be living in the heart of cleveland
(downtown...in a live/work loft..woohoo) so I will be right in the thick of it.

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From: Chris Hattery <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Monday, October 29,[masked]:36:11 PM
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] New Event: Plan our website Stage 3

Along the lines of what Bridget said, I too, heard it as a joke, and felt we would not become famous at our task of 'do-goodedness of awaring Clevelanders that their websites suck'.  (Grammars off).  I was having a good time laughing about it though.  Running from the fires and behold, a group of nerds standing near by with a sense of 'We can fix this, and make it better.'  After all, wouldn't fires actually burn the impurities out of water?  I really don't know. 

I'm also getting the feeling that I'm missing out on something big by not living in or around Cleveland.  I've visited there often and enjoy the parts I've been to.  The only thing keeping me from their is the weather.  Lake effect snow and cold does not sound that great to me.

Oddly enough, a few months back, well, like around March, I was involved in a project for technology in urban culture.  A picture I produced for it shows a group of geekz standing with cityscape to the back.  Maybe this could be used for something.... I don't really care if it is or not.  Just making myself involved.

http://busson.servehttp.com/urban/geekz.gif
http://busson.servehttp.com/urban/header.jpg

WHAT'S UP!?

Kris-toe-fur
(Chris)

Bridget <[address removed]> wrote:
Maybe I heard the conversation differently at the meeting.  I didn't get the impression that "Making Cleveland suck less, one website at a time" was going to be an actual slogan for the association.  It was merely an illustration to the "sense of humor" that many of us tend to have.

I'm all for keeping the site and the association as inviting as possible. But, we are a bunch of geeks (said with love) who also don't take ourselves so seriously.  So, the impeding doom is easily remedied. For example:

Cleveland Web Standards Association
-Beautifying Cleveland, one website at a time

or

Cleveland Web Standards Association
-Elevating Cleveland, one website at a time

or

Cleveland Web Standards Association
-(insert another tagline option that doesn't include the phrase "one website at a time")

:-)

Joe Fiorini wrote:
I agree with what's been said so far and have a bit to add.

With our rather large goal of being the "go to" web standards body in Cleveland, we would be shooting ourselves in the foot by deprecating the very city we are trying to help.  On one side I think the slogan is awesome and hilarious; unfortunately, I think it would be viewed very negatively by the Cleveland advocacy groups, whose help we may someday need in promoting ourselves to tech businesses looking at moving/starting up in Cleveland.  While we can and should maintain a certain level of humor, we can view this as a great (and, luckily, easy) learning experience to always keep in mind the end goals of the group when making public facing decisions.

Okay, done with the seriousness.  Let's go make Cleveland suck less!

-Joe

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Dielman" <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Monday, October 29,[masked]:27:56 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] New Event: Plan our website Stage 3

Hi Everyone.

I have to agree with Alexis on this one. Between ourselves, joking
around about Cleveland is one thing, but to make it a theme of our
Association site is another thing completely.

As an association that wants to help promote web standards and best
practices for web design and development in our area, potentially
alienating those we want to attract (business in need of good
standards based sites, designers and developers in the area who are
looking to learn) isn't a good way to go about it.

That being said, I thought "CWSA, Making Cleveland suck less, one
website at a time." was hilarious. For our site though, something a
bit less controversial.

Just my two cents.

On 10/29/07, Alexis <[address removed]> wrote:
> It was really nice to meet everyone. I was really impressed by the group and
> enjoyed the last meeting a lot.  I look forward to what's to come.
>
> I will have at least 1 logo design and 1 splash page design if not before
> then at the next meeting.
>
> I cop to initiating the cleveland deprecation movement but i have to ask
> that we discuss the issue further before making something like: "CWSA,
> Making Cleveland suck less, one website at a time." the designated theme or
> mission statement. While it was funny as a one-line joke, from a marketing
> perspective, it's not a wise positioning for the group or for the city. Like
> why dig a hole for yourself to climb out of?  Who said Cleveland sucks to
> begin with? and it's very inferiority complex-y and there's no wit to it
> that may add value.  And anyhow, why does everything remotely attached to
> Cleveland have to be an argument for and justification of the city? Why
> weigh down the mission and image of the group with something so irrelevant
> and subjective? we can be lighthearted and fun, but c'mon it's not like we
> live in Chernobyl.
>
> I feel very strongly about Clevelanders being the worst ambassadors of
> Cleveland.  So I may be making an issue out of a non-issue, but I feel like
> I should defend the reputation of Cleveland and erase negative
> representations of the city, one clevelander at a time. I hope you
> understand =)
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