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international protests currently going on...

A former member
Post #: 761

Thousands across India protest against rampant corruption
Aug 17, 2011

NEW DELHI // Protests erupted throughout the capital yesterday, a day after the 64th anniversary of India's independence.

Police cracked down on protesters and thousands of people were detained.

In the day's most surreal twist, the leader of the anti-corruption demonstrations - 73-year-old Anna Hazare - was sent to Tihar Jail, the same New Delhi prison that houses former government officials Suresh Kalmadi and A Raja, who are awaiting trial on corruption charges.

A former member
Post #: 803

Protesters blockade Mexico's biggest TV station
(Reuters) - Thousands of protesters on Thursday blockaded the studios of Mexico's most popular TV network, accusing it of biased coverage of the July 1 presidential election.

Shouting "Tell the truth," the demonstrators, including students and union workers, stopped employees entering the offices of the Televisa studios in Mexico City although they allowed others to leave.

The protesters allege that Televisa supported Enrique Pena Nieto, who won the election by almost 7 percentage points over leftist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador.

The protesters promised to continue the blockade for 24 hours.

Televisa, which carried on broadcasting as normal, argues that it covered the election fairly and gave all candidates time on prime-time news shows.

A former member
Post #: 893

Police gas Sydney protesters
September 15, 2012 - 7:31PM
The protests were triggered by a US film, Innocence of Muslims, portraying the prophet Muhammad as a womaniser and paedophile.

Police said two of the injured officers are now in hospital. Two vehicles were also damaged.

The crowd carried signs such as "Behead all those who insult the prophet" and "Our dead are in paradise, your dead are in hell".

Wendy R
user 11116486
Gastonia, NC
Post #: 65
Fortunately, I believe most Moslems are more moderate than above, just as most Christians are not following Terry Jones, who burned their Book, or joining the KKK which professes Christianity.

I always try to not confuse good, holy religious teachings and Scripture with the sometimes misinterpretations or failed attempts at living up to beliefs. I believe religion helps most followers be and act better than than they would have otherwise. You don't hear the positive stories as much. Also, I hypothesize that people hitting low points in their life are more likely to seek answers and support in religion, and have MUCH further to go to reform their attitudes and behavior than others, so bring more imperfections than average into their religious fold. People with "no" or few problems tend to already be content, and so are not searching as much.

One problem USA has though is many other countries/cultures already do not like or respect us: our culture, modern loose morals/ethics, or that they think we seek world domination. Add intense feelings about religious differences and we become the devil.

That last statement above sounds like an oppositional schoolyard chant: "Our dead are in paradise, your dead are in hell". It reminds me of the childish, ridiculous enmity that makes high school sports fans strike out against the other side. It is an example of universal mob mentality, where the group eggs people on to do things they would never think of doing on their own. Being a member of a fanatical religious group is not so different from being an ardent nationalist or a violent activist for any cause, except they tend to have even firmer beliefs that they are in the right and have powerful support.

Hopefully the more moderate and peace-loving people of the world will prevail. Hard to STAY calm, loving, and especially rational through threats and attacks, but we will not win by escalating conflicts or by operating from an immature level. Hopefully terrorism will lose its appeal as those not presently enlisted in it see our mature responses.

A former member
Post #: 895

Anti-Japanese demonstrations are spreading across China like wildfire.
16 Sept 2012

A former member
Post #: 899

Top Australian Muslim leader condemns more violence as police remain on red alert to stop Sydney riots spreading to Melbourne
September 17, 201212:36PM

Here is an article Slovoj wrote about an earlier Muslim riot.

The Antinomies of Tolerant Reason: A Blood-Dimmed Tide is Loosed
Slavoj Zizek
What we should always bear in mind is the fact that the protests (and the very real violence accompanying them) were triggered by means of representation, by words and images (caricatures, which a large majority of those protesting did not see, but just read or heard about).

The Muslim crowds did not react to caricatures as such;
they reacted to the complex figure/image of the “West” that was perceived as the attitude behind the caricatures.
Those who proposed the term “Occidentalism” as the counterpart to Edward Said’s “Orientalism” were up to a point right:
what we get in Muslim countries is a certain ideological image of the West which distorts Western reality no less (although in a different way) than the Orientalist image of the Orient.
What exploded in violence was a complex cobweb of symbols, images and attitudes (Western imperialism, godless materialism and hedonism, the suffering of Palestinians, etc.etc.) that became attached to Danish caricatures, which is why the hatred expanded from caricatures to Denmark as a country, to Scandinavian countries, to Europe, to the West – it was as if all these humiliations and frustrations got condensed in the caricatures.
And, again, one should bear in mind that this condensation is a fact of language, of constructing and imposing a certain symbolic field.

Wendy P.
user 15642411
Stanley, NC
Post #: 68
Why is that most non-islamic people don't seem to start rioting over pictures or videos of their religious leader? In other words why do the violent Islamic people tend to riot over pictures and videos of their religious leader? Westerners seem to riot over perceived racial bias or financial inequality or political diffences. In Europe there were riots over the economy. Is it because Islam is the state or counrty religion and in the Western world and Europe we separates religion from the government? That is too easy an answer to what must be complex set of issues but may play some part in the answer. Another idea of mine is that the Islamic society is from a Western view is a repressive culture (especially concerning women). Thus when given the slightest excuse the people like to break free from the restraints and riot.
Wendy R
user 11116486
Gastonia, NC
Post #: 66
Wendy, your ideas are good. Arab religion combined with govt does create extra stress between different religious groups. Maybe that's why one main spot for Western violence was between mainly Catholic country of Ireland and Protestant Northern Ireland, who joined UK.
I've also often wondered if part of reason fanatical Muslims seem to react so strongly is because one of the greatest accomplishments of Muhammad was to unite the desert tribes, used to feuding, into one nation. What I wonder is: was their tribal society in the 7th century AD behind others at the time, and they just never have caught up??? I ask forgiveness from those Arabs who do feel and are plenty advanced. I'm just trying to figure out others that do not seem to act so, according to general Western values...
Another reason I can understand for Muslim sensitivity to visual representations of their Prophet is that even they are not allowed pictures of him, not even positive pictures, so negative portrayals cut them extra deep. Still NO EXCUSE for violence, absolutely!!! Neither words NOR pictures merit violence, but they certainly can incite strong emotions...
A former member
Post #: 921
Who exactly is in charge?

How may we make models of our systems which more accurately describe and predict the way our collective
agreements get honored.

How may discern the veracity of claims without discarding, updating, or making new
models that more accurately describe the accuracy of systems which carry out our
collective agreements.

How Much Power Does Israel Have Over the US?

A former member
Post #: 925
protests in Italy

13.10.12 Venezia La polizia carica, gli studenti resistono

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