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Sir Ken Robinson's & Seth Godin on "What is School for?" Part II

  • Nov 6, 2013 · 6:30 PM
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What is school for?

"If it is work, they try to figure out how to do less.  If it is art, we try to figure out how to do more."

Sir Ken Robinson's and Seth Godin on "What is school for?"

Both sharply critical of our current education system.
We will discuss Sir Robinson's ideas and Godin's 8 proposed changes. (Note - Robinson and Godin are not attending this event.)


Join us for food, drinks, and discussion.
Bring your observations.
Short social before start.
--Greet old friends and meet new ones.

6:30 pm Social

7:00 pm Conversation on Robinson's RSA Talk: Changing Education Paradigms

8:45 pm +  All are welcome to continue the conversation on your own.

(Food court is open until 7:30 pm which is located two levels below the mezzanine tables where we will be holding the conversation.)

Shown at Meetup:

Sir Ken Robinson:  Changing Education Paradigms (15min)

"A visionary cultural leader, Sir Ken led the British government's 1998 advisory committee on creative and cultural education, a massive inquiry into the significance of creativity in the educational system and the economy, and was knighted in 2003 for his achievements. His 2009 book, The Element: How Finding Your Passion Changes Everything, is a New York Times bestseller and has been translated into 21 languages. A 10th anniversary edition of his classic work on creativity and innovation, Out of Our Minds: Learning to be Creative, was published in 2011. His latest book, Finding Your Element: How to Discover Your Talents and Passions and Transform Your Life, will be published by Viking in May 2013."

Please watch before arrival:

TED Talk:  Seth Godin, Stop Stealing Dreams. (20min)

1. What is school for?  What does our public education teach?  How is success measured and evaluated?

2. Seth Godin, “Does great performance in school leads to happiness and success?”
How does our society define “happiness” and “success?”
What does great performance in public school leads to?
How would you define “happiness” and “success?”

3. What would you want the purpose of public education to be and why?

4. What do you think of Seth Godin's proposals?

875 Third Avenue (Intersection of 53rd St and Third Ave):













Seth Godin is the author of 14 books that have been bestsellers around the world and have been translated into more than 35 languages. Permission Marketing was a New York Times bestseller, Unleashing the Ideavirus is the most popular ebook every published, and Purple Cow is the bestselling marketing book of the decade. His free ebook on what education is for is called STOP STEALING DREAMS and it's been downloaded millions of times since it launched in January, 2012.

In addition to his writing and speaking, Seth is founder of, a fast growing, easy to use website. His blog (which you can find by typing "seth" into Google) is one of the most popular in the world.

(Please note that the Seth Godin is not attending this event. This event works like a book club, but the discussion topics are clips from TED (, "Ideas Worth Spreading". Watching Seth Godin's TED Talk beforehand is highly encouraged. If the venue permits, we'll watch his approx. 17 minute TED Talk before the conversation and then spend an hour discussing the ideas presented.)

About the Moderators:

Herb Klitzner is a Social Innovator, Cultural Researcher, Personal Technology Market Forecaster, IT Technical Writer, and he is the creator of the Resources for Moderator at Conversations New York's home website.

Yen is a graduate of the US Air Force Academy and a former Master Navigator with experience in training/evaluating navigators and first-responders at the Federal and State level, and for Fortune 100 employees/trainers. Currently he is a manager at Lyhun Realty.

Ron Gross is the founder of Conversations New York. He's  been organizing exciting, important CONVERSATIONS for 20 years, and currently holds them regularly on the Columbia University campus and elsewhere through the city. He's the author of 23 books on LIFELONG LEARNING.  He was recently honored for lifetime achievement in the field by the International Society for Self-Directed Learning. The late Buckminster Fuller said of Ron's work: “If humanity is to pass safely through its present crisis on earth, it will be because a majority of individuals are now doing their own thinking. Ronald Gross’ work has pioneered in improving the climate for such thinking in the United States.”

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  • Yen

    June 18, 2016

  • Yen

    Here is Sir Robinson's full lecture, "Changing Paradigms."

    November 9, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    The talk was very interesting, particularly because the smaller group made for more intimate conversation. The topic is challenging, and one close to everyone's heart somehow. We're all affected somehow by the system. The missing star (in the rating) only has to do with the acoustics, Yen. I know it isn't easy to find appropriate and convenient venues and I appreciate all of your hard work in putting the evening together.

    2 · November 7, 2013

    • Yen

      Thank you Susan and good to see you again. Also, thank you for coming out from such a great distance and for dealing with the building management working on their building alarms.

      November 8, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      This group's discussions are worth it. Also, I enjoy now enthusiastic and unpretentious all the participants are. As long as I can carve out the time, I'll travel. As an organizer myself, Yen, I appreciate your efforts to secure appropriate, comfortable space and keep the talk on task.

      November 8, 2013

  • m

    I am unexpectedly tied up at work and am disappointed I won't get to attend. Sorry. Please keep me on the mail list. Thanks Yen, and thanks for maintaining such a timely, comprehensive and informative page. //m

    1 · November 6, 2013

    • Yen

      m, Sorry you can't make it this time. :( See you next time. : )

      November 6, 2013

  • Yen

    Kindly update your RSVP as soon as you know you have a conflict with Wednesday's 6:30 pm conversation.

    Be careful to not confuse this atrium with the other more well known one 1/2 block away. Our atrium is as described and pictured above on the corner of 53rd St. and Third Ave. We will be at the tables at the top of the "Up" escalators. (The food court is open until 7:30 pm and is located on the lower level...please bring purchased food to eat at the upper level.)

    Thank you. See you Wednesday.

    November 5, 2013

    • Yen

      Last minute RSVPs - Please note the instructions above on how to find us (875 Third Ave is NOT the citicorp atrium) and call CNY's mobile# if you have difficulty finding us,[masked]

      November 6, 2013

  • Rob M.

    I will probably not be able to make it until after 7 PM, so I am changing my RSVP to no to free a spot for someone else.

    November 6, 2013

    • Yen

      Thank you for letting me know and if you arrive after 7pm, you are still welcome to join us.

      November 6, 2013

  • Yen

    What would you want the purpose of public education to be?

    November 5, 2013

  • Yen

    October 28, 2013

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