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Re: [skeptics-192] New Meetup: Criminal Justice in the U.S. -Whatpurpose does it serve, and should it serve?

From: user 6.
Sent on: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:15 PM
I agree about the spamming thing (to which I am alas now adding!), but might I suggest using the message board as a way to hold these chats?

And with that, I'll dive back into my hole....


-----Original Message-----
From: "Robert in OC" [[address removed]]
Date: 09/01/[masked]:23 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [skeptics-192] New Meetup: Criminal Justice in the U.S. -Whatpurpose does it serve, and should it serve?

Although this is an interesting thread. (I don't believe in Jesus either, or Mithra, Thor, Zool, and all the rest) I think it is not best served by not spam emailing the whole group.....

Not everyone may find it interesting and not like the 20+ emails they are going to get. This drives people out of otherwise interesting groups.

I suggest saving this for a meetup.




--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Corwin <[address removed]>; wrote:

> From: Corwin <[address removed]>;
> Subject: Re: [skeptics-192] New Meetup: Criminal Justice in the U.S. -Whatpurpose does it serve, and should it serve?
> To: [address removed]
> Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 9:18 PM
> Well, if it's any consolation, I
> do not consider myself a liberal. I mean, like most people,
> I'm always up for a little Bush bashing, but I don't
> like Obama either. There's a time and a place for making
> fun of politics and I feel that most people here can
> separate that from an intellectual
> discussion.Anyway, that's my two cents. I wish
> you well.Sent from my Verizon Wireless
> BlackBerryFrom: Raymond
> Date: Tue, 1 Sep[masked]:57:27 -0400
> To: <[address removed]>;
> Subject: RE: [skeptics-192] New Meetup: Criminal
> Justice in the U.S. - Whatpurpose does it serve, and should
> it serve?
> Sorry to those of you who do happen to believe
> in JESUS.  My point was not to make fun of JESUS, but
> that just because I am a political conservative, does not
> mean I am a fundamentalist Christian.  There are
> different kinds of conservatives, such as libertarians,
> paleo conservatives, neoconservatives, cultural
> conservatives, and so on, just as I am sure there are
> different kinds of liberals.
>  
> I like the way Kate expresses herself.  Twice already
> that I have seen on here within just a few e-mails from the
> gorup, she expressed herself in the kind of open minded way
> that I think I could be around without feeling that I
> have been ridiculed for my beliefs.
>  
> One person here made a comment about the recent Townhall
> meetings where more shouting than talking has been going
> on.  But see, even a comment expressed that way reveals
> a politically left point of view, which is okay, but just
> thought I would mention it.  From a conservative
> perspective, I would acknowledge that yes, those townhall
> meetings have been shouting escapades, but I see them as
> Turnabout is Fair Play, after eight years of liberals loudly
> bashing President Bush with the same phrases endlessly
> repeated, such as how Bush Lied People Died, War Is Not the
> Answer, and the mantra Haliburton whenever Dick Cheney is
> mentioned.
>  
>
>  
> Subject: Re: [skeptics-192] New
> Meetup: Criminal Justice in the U.S. - Whatpurpose does it
> serve, and should it serve?
> To: [address removed]
> From: [address removed]
> Date: Tue, 1 Sep[masked]:01:31 -0400
>
> Speaking of Jesus...
>
> ... Jesus Christ this thread's getting big!
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> From: kate
>
> Date: Tue, 1 Sep[masked]:53:02 -0400
> To: <[address removed]>;
> Subject: RE: [skeptics-192] New Meetup: Criminal
> Justice in the U.S. - What purpose does it serve, and should
> it serve?
>
> I would ask
> what you adore about her and why and that would take time
> and a reason for me to explore the issue.  I dont have
> a reason as I am more interested in exploring other
> things.  I like the old 'what gives meaning to your
> life' better than Jesus or Palin. 
>  I would bet we all believe or
> don't believe in a variety of issues and as for me, I
> try to base my perspectives on knowledge of what they do,
> why they do it and if I think it is good for the
> country.  It is ok if you or others don't agree
> with me - Jesus, Buddha,Mohammed, Regan, Kennedy, Athiesm,
> Agnosticism, I would ask if it benefits my life and if so
> there is no argument, I will maintain my perspective
> regardless of whether or not you or anyone agrees with
> me. kate  -
>
>
> --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Raymond
> <[address removed]>; wrote:
>
> From: Raymond <[address removed]>;
> Subject: RE: [skeptics-192] New Meetup: Criminal Justice in
> the U.S. - What purpose does it serve, and should it serve?
> To: [address removed]
> Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 7:37 PM
>
> What if at the meeting I would
> say something like, "I thought President Bush was our
> greatest President since the late great President
> Reagan."  Or how about, "I love and adore the
> beautiful Sarah Palin and think that Barack Hussein Obama is
> the most dangerous person ever elected
> President."  Would I be labelled a stupid
> racist, relentlessly attacked for being so politically
> incorrect?  I an assure you that I do not live in a
> trailor park somewhere in rural Alabama.  In fact,
> being a Jew and proud of it, I do not even believe in
> JESUS.
>  
>  
>  
>
>  
> > From: [address removed]
> > Subject: Re: [skeptics-192] New Meetup: Criminal
> Justice in the U.S. - What purpose does it serve, and should
> it serve?
> > To: [address removed]
> > Date: Tue, 1 Sep[masked]:32:13 -0400
> >
> > By liberal I was meaning open / free thinking rather
> than any
> > political leanings. This group seems to be all about
> rational
> > discussion. If you are open to possibly new views on
> such a subject
> > I'm sure it would be interesting to attend.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:18 PM,
> Raymond<[address removed]>; wrote:
> > > Then the group is probably not for me, as I am
> quite politically
> > > conservative.  I am not good at debating,
> not because I am stupid, but
> > > because I have a very sensitive nature that
> personalizes everything, plus I
> > > am not much of a warrior type.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> From: [address removed]
> > >> To: [address removed]
> > >> Subject: Re: [skeptics-192] New Meetup:
> Criminal Justice in the U.S. -
> > >> What purpose does it serve, and should it
> serve?
> > >> Date: Tue, 1 Sep[masked]:12:57 -0400
> > >>
> > >> Deep thinkers sounds like quite a liberal
> group...
> > >>
> > >> I personally welcome strong views. Especially
> if they are opposing
> > >> ones. Makes things more interesting.
> Especially if both parties can
> > >> come away having learnt something new, even
> if its just understanding
> > >> the reasons on the opposing stance.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:45 PM,
> Raymond<[address removed]>;
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > I have not yet gone to any of your
> meetings, so I am wondering about
> > >> > something.  Are most
> participants politically conservative or liberal,
> > >> > capitalist or socialist, fans of
> President Bush or President Obama?  I
> > >> > have
> > >> > very strong views on such issues, so I
> just want to make sure I do not
> > >> > get
> > >> > stuck like a lamb in a lion's den.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >________________________________
> > >> > From: [address removed]
> > >> > To: [address removed]
> > >> > Subject: RE: [skeptics-192] New Meetup:
> Criminal Justice in the U.S. -
> > >> > What
> > >> > purpose does it serve, and should it
> serve?
> > >> > Date: Tue, 1 Sep[masked]:58:43 -0400
> > >> >
> > >> > Well.. I don't really expect you to
> change it - I was just curious b/c
> > >> > the
> > >> > topic is so huge and there is so much
> that surrounds it.  So many things
> > >> > are
> > >> > impacted by it families, the
> welfare system, children, society as a
> > >> > whole,
> > >> > behavioral issues, etc.
> > >> >
> > >> > I may be able to cancel my plans,
> you never know :)  Thank you for your
> > >> > consideration
> > >> >
> > >> >________________________________
> > >> > From: [address removed]
> > >> > To: [address removed]
> > >> > Subject: RE: [skeptics-192] New Meetup:
> Criminal Justice in the U.S. -
> > >> > What
> > >> > purpose does it serve, and should it
> serve?
> > >> > Date: Tue, 1 Sep[masked]:54:29 -0400
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi, Starr.  I try to mix up the
> days a bit, but Sundays seem to work for
> > >> > most.  I?ll try a Saturday next
> time.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Sorry,
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Todd
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: [address removed]
> [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf
> > >> > Of
> > >> > Starr Black
> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 01,[masked]:39
> PM
> > >> > To: [address removed]
> > >> > Subject: RE: [skeptics-192] New Meetup:
> Criminal Justice in the U.S. -
> > >> > What
> > >> > purpose does it serve, and should it
> serve?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Sounds great, I unavailable on that
> day.  Do you always have your
> > >> > meetings
> > >> > on Sunday?  Saturday would be so
> much better for me personally.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >________________________________
> > >> >
> > >> > From: [address removed]
> > >> > To: [address removed]
> > >> > Subject: [skeptics-192] New Meetup:
> Criminal Justice in the U.S. - What
> > >> > purpose does it serve, and should it
> serve?
> > >> > Date: Tue, 1 Sep[masked]:25:49 -0400
> > >> >
> > >> > Announcing a new Meetup for Deep
> Thinkers!
> > >> >
> > >> > What: Criminal Justice in the U.S. -
> What purpose does it serve, and
> > >> > should
> > >> > it serve?
> > >> >
> > >> > When: October 4,[masked]:30 AM
> > >> >
> > >> > Where: (A location has not been chosen
> yet.)
> > >> >
> > >> > PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE POST!
> > >> >
> > >> > A few statistics to ponder:
> > >> > The U.S. has the highest incarceration
> rate per capita in the world.
> > >> > More than 1 in 100 adults in the United
> States are in prison.
> > >> > The United States has 5% of the
> world's population and 23.6% of the
> > >> > world's
> > >> > prison population.
> > >> >
> > >> > The questions we'll explore are the
> following:
> > >> > What are the various reasons for prison
> - deterrence, punishment, public
> > >> > safety, etc.?
> > >> > When it comes to our criminal justice
> system, what do we do well and not
> > >> > so
> > >> > well?
> > >> > How can we improve it?
> > >> >
> > >> > While I expect that we'll touch on
> the question of capital punishment,
> > >> > this
> > >> > is NOT about the death penalty.
> > >> >
> > >> > I recommend that anyone wishing to
> participate attend this free lecture
> > >> > on
> > >> > Sept. 29 (I'll be there):
> > >> > Zocalo Public Square - "Can Less
> Punishment Reduce Crime?"
> > >> >
> > >> > Additional reading:
> > >> > "Trial by Fire: Did Texas execute
> an innocent man?"
> > >> >
> > >> > "Kidnapping suspect's prison
> term raises questions"
> > >> >
> > >> > This should be a very interesting topic
> worthy of some robust
> > >> > discussion. I
> > >> > hope you can make it!
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm capping the RSVPs at 20, but may
> open it to 30 if the venue permits,
> > >> > so
> > >> > use the waiting list if it's full.
> > >> >
> > >> > The location will be announced closer to
> the Meetup date.
> > >> >
> > >> > Learn more here:
> > >> >
> http://www.meetup.com/Deep-Thinkers/calendar/11262182/
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
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