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Part 1: The Evolution of Women's Roles Past, Present and Future

Note that this is a two part series. This meetup will be followed two weeks later with the same discussion about men's roles. Note that there is a maximum of 15 places available. A balance of male and female participants would make this discussion most interesting.

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  • A former member
    A former member

    James, men who are not the father tend to be more abusive than 'real' dads. Men are certainly the problem in that respect. But women need to be wiser in their choice of who fathers their children. Should that relationship break down, why do so many women make do with unsuitable new 'partners'? Why don't they put their children first, before their own new relationship.

    November 15, 2012

    • James W.

      Probably for the same reason that men make bad decisions when selecting a mate. They are sometimes attracted to attractive, 'bad' women rather than sensible, good mothers. Again, men shouldn't complain. I know this is a gross generalisation, but I think it makes the point.

      November 28, 2012

  • James (.

    Oh, I forgot to mention tonight. I have a gig at Classic on 26 Nov. All of you are welcome to come. Details:

    http://www.meetup.com/Auckland-Friendship-Group/events/91432552/

    November 15, 2012

  • James W.

    By the way, my previous comment is aimed at parents regardless of gender, not just mothers. It just happens that children tend to be supervised by mothers more often - hence the reference to mothers. When it comes to abuse, statistics show that the perpetrators of domestic violence are increasingly committed by women, but this comes from a very small base. Men are the major problem (and I feel this will persist despite the statistical changes. Hence the terminology tends to talk about perpetrators as men. It is important not to stereotype, but we need to be able to distinguish between the roles of men and women. How are we to do this without stereotyping and being patronising? I would be interested in other people's views on this.

    November 7, 2012

  • James W.

    Parenting in public spaces is a complex issue. Alecia Simmonds is right when she states that mothers have a right to drink lattes in cafes with one another. But I don't think anyone would object to that. The real issue is that they sometimes refuse to take responsibility for the behaviour of their children. Concepts of what is OK regarding 'kiddie control' have morphed enormously over the past generation and there is a new social norm in cafes and restaurants that people and their children 'have the right' to be much more intrusive in public spaces than was formerly the case. And if you don't like it, you need to get over it and move on. If someone dares to ask a mother to rein in some very noisy and/or very active behaviour of children, they all too often get an aggressive response. Alecia's analysis seems to be quite partisan and (most likely) is written to be deliberately provocative. She's a good writer who understands that being provocative hooks people in!

    November 6, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Some questions we may discuss from a recent article - "How could a society which glorifies motherhood as the most sanctified of earthly duties (and which stigmatises childless women) be so harsh on those who carry out the labour?"

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/7908905/Why-are-mummies-always-to-blame

    November 6, 2012

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  • Wendy W.
    Co-Organizer,
    Event Host
  • Maureen +1
  • James W. +2
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