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RE: [atheists-662] Living With Guns

From: Carol E R.
Sent on: Friday, December 28, 2012 1:59 PM

People’s rights are weighed against the potential of those rights to hinder the rights of others.  If you wish to respect someone’s right to own a gun, then you must also respect someone’s right to live in a society which protects them from gun violence.   Because someone likes doing something does not mean they have the right to do it.  Gays should have the right to marry because marrying does absolutely nothing to harm anyone else.  Rapists do not have the right to rape, because rape is inherently harmful. 

 

Study after study has shown that a gun in a home, even with a trained user, does nothing except give the owner a false sense of security.  In actual cases where the idea that a gun would protect, turns out the statistics go up for deaths and injuries.  So the argument from protection doesn’t work.

 

The argument of ‘rights guaranteed in the constitution’ is also facile. The Constitution wanted the country to be able to pull together a militia for defense quickly, and soldiers were required to provide their own weapons. We now have military for that.  The other ‘right’ was to revolt against an unfair government.  That’s not something that is viable in this country now.  We have other ways of changing things without another civil war.  No other ‘rights’ are in the Constitution.

 

Alcohol IS a restricted substance. Minors are not permitted to have it. It is a crime to give alcohol to minors in this country.  A car is not the same as a gun. People die from falling down stairs, but you wouldn’t call stairs a lethal weapon.  People can die from eating peanuts. Let’s get reasonable here.   Guns have one purpose only, and that is to kill.  No one buys a car thinking that they might need it to run over someone. 

 

We all need to sit back and examine this (and any other) issue with critical eyes. We need to assess facts, not emotions.  Then and only then can we make a rational decision on how to deal with guns.

 

 

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of emmy
Sent: Thursday, December 27,[masked]:42 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [atheists-662] Living With Guns

 

I don't know that I have 100% clearly defined my opinion on guns...  It's tough for me because I say to people, if you don't like abortion...  Don't have one. If you don't like interracial/GLBT/non-"traditional" marriage...  Don't have one. So as much as I dislike guns, PART of me tells myself, if you don't like guns, don't have them. We can go on to say that abortions kill foetuses, not fully developed people. We can say that non-traditional marriages don't harm people. True, true.  What about alcohol? Millions of people have died from drinking and driving, or from someone else drinking and driving...  And subsequently killing innocent people. A properly trained gun owner can incapacitate an intruder without killing them. Please note: properly trained.  We go back to the DMV and some people are randomly plucked to be given driving tests again. A car is a deadly weapon, just as a gun is.  It seems to me that ALL gun owners should be required to update their licences and have all their guns inspected. They should be required to attend refresher trainings. If they don't attend, their gun licence should be revoked and guns confiscated. There should be a limit of how many guns someone can own. The types of guns citizens can own should be a LOT more limited.  Nobody needs a semi-automatic to guard their home. 

TL;DR version...  I don't want rights taken from me, so why is it okay for me to try and take rights from someone else? MUCH better regulations are the first step. There has to be a happy medium.

On 27 Dec[masked]:25, "Dave Vallee" <[address removed]> wrote:

Remove all the BS references to the constitution, and personal rights, and you begin to see the truth. It's a hobby, not an inborn right. The NRA is nothing more than a political organization protecting its own interests without regard for the consequences, even when that is the death of children. And homes are far more dangerous with a firearm present, than without. As Archie would say - case closed.

On 12/26/[masked]:26 AM, Alan Palmer wrote:

Food for thought for all of us, pro and con gun control.

 

 

Alan B. Palmer

A bright - Elevating and Illuminating a Naturalistic World View

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