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Toronto Electric Riders Association Message Board E-bike Laws › Toronto GO Train blogger: (ebike) Permitted?

Toronto GO Train blogger: (ebike) Permitted?

A former member
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Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Permitted?



When you take the pedals off an e-bike, it becomes a moped under the HTA.

Oh, and it was rush hour when this picture was taken.

Imma just throw this SmartCar on the train, too. K?

10 Comments

Shirker said...
I saw what I think is the same bike on the LSW a couple weeks ago (I actually snapped a pic but forgot to submit it). A lady tried telling the owner it wasn't allowed on but he said he had asked and was told it was OK.
April 11, 2012 10:22 AM


Squiggles said...
It might have been ok on NOT rush hour trains. Betcha he never asked that question, or volunteered the information about riding during rush hour.

Regardless, it is NOT ok. Never mind the time of day. It reminds me of the adage: "just because you can, doesn't mean you should".
April 11, 2012 11:00 AM


James said...
That thing is huge! I don't see how he could have received an OK. I'd tell him to bring it to the accessible car see how far he gets.
April 11, 2012 11:48 AM


Anonymous said...
Ima gonna bring my gas powered scooter on the train as well, it IS a personal transportation device after all.
I'm kinda afraid it'll explode on the platform when I get near a smoker tho.
April 11, 2012 4:14 PM

ExGOnowTTC said...
Remind me to drive my Hummer onto the train.
April 11, 2012 4:21 PM


deepfish said...
I think we all should push it to the max and try to see if we can sneak our own trains onto the trains...
April 11, 2012 8:16 PM

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April 11, 2012 8:32 PM



C.J. Smith said...
deepfish,
I was blew milk outta my nose when your comment came in.
April 11, 2012 8:34 PM


deepfish said...
Live and learn - don't drink milk while bloggin, sister! :-)
April 11, 2012 9:27 PM



C.J. Smith said...
As you can read, I had trouble typing as well.
April 11, 2012 9:29 PM

Allan H.
orillia3
Orillia, ON
Post #: 538
My comments are awaiting approval:

C.J. Smith is correct in that is how pedal removal should be charged, which is just a ticket. Instead police choose to ignore the law and charge as an unregistered, uninsured motor vehicle, which can bring fines of up to $50,000 plus costs, and lose the "offender" their drivers license for up to one year, plus requires valuable court time. Most people charged with pedal removal understandably with a minimum fine of $10,000 for no insurance, plead guilty to a lesser charge paying fines of a few hundreds of dollars. I might point out that the HTA does not apply until the ebike is ridden on the road, HTA does not apply on a Go train, so removal of the pedals is a moot point there. The owner could have just taken them off for easier transport.

James said this thing is huge. The length of this Kiwi ebike is just over 5 feet, a few inches less than my mountain bike in my hallway. It is also just over two feet wide, my bike is just under two feet wide. So the statements about how huge this ebike is are sadly mistaken, it takes the same space as a regular bicycle, repeat, the same size length and width. True it weighs more, and the body is bulkier, but the height and width are essentially the same as a regular bicycle. Regular bicycles and ebikes are both permitted on Go trains with certain conditions against rush hour times, and against wheelchair accessible cars, so where is the problem? Go to the gotransit website for allowances and restrictions. As long as it had a sticker certifying it as an ebike and it was not breaking rush hour rules there is nothing wrong going on here, please move along.

Just for your information, bikes on Go trains information is here
http://www.gotransit....­

Bikes on trains
When can I take a bicycle onto a GO Train?

You may take a bicycle on any GO Train on a Saturday, Sunday, or statutory holiday.

On weekdays, due to rush-hour crowding, you may not take them on trains scheduled to arrive at Union Station between 6:30 and 9:30 a.m. or that leave Union Station between 3:30 and 6:30 p.m. Bicycles are also prohibited inside Union Station during those times.

Bicycles are permitted on all other trains, including weekday off-peak, and those travelling opposite to peak direction.

For example, you may bring your bicycle on trains travelling away from Union Station in the morning peak period as long as you do not board at Union Station. Similarly, you can bring your bicycle on trains travelling towards Union Station in the afternoon peak period as long as you get off the train before it arrives at Union.

What if, for example, I got on at Whitby GO Station during the morning rush but got off at Rouge Hill station. Can I bring my bike then?

No. During the morning rush, if you are travelling on a train towards Union Station, you cannot bring your bicycle on any part of the trip. The same applies if you are on a train that leaves Union Station during the afternoon rush, regardless of where you get on.

Can I bring a folding bicycle onto a GO Train?

Folding bicycles are allowed on all GO Trains, including during peak-period travel times and within Union Station at any time.

Can I bring an electric bicycle onto a GO Train?

Power-assisted electric bicycles (e-bikes) that display a manufacturer’s label and meet federal motor vehicle safety regulations are permitted on GO Trains. Electric bicycles are subject to the same rules as conventional bicycles, as outlined above.

Where should I put my bicycle on the train?

Four bicycles fit on each regular GO railcar, two just inside each set of doors. Bicycles are not permitted in doorways next to the washroom. These doorways are indicated with a “no bike” symbol. Bicycles are not allowed on wheelchair-accessible train cars.


A former member
Post #: 4,559
My comments are awaiting approval:

Approved! Amusing to see original blog post modified, with "it becomes a moped under the HTA." now scored out and a footnote added "Being verified"...



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More [C]omments:
Anonymous said...
"When you take the pedals off an e-bike, it becomes a moped..."

No, just a violation of Section 7 of Ontario Regulation 369/09 "A power-assisted bicycle must not be ridden on, driven or operated unless it is in good working order." ... for which the fine is $85.
Tks
April 12, 2012 3:20 AM

C.J. Smith said...
Then there's a HUGE disconnect between the dealers who sell these bikes and the government because I considered buying one but definitely would want to remove the pedals. The GEO dealer told me the minute I do that, it's considered a motorcycle and I could be charged with operating a motorcycle without a class licence.
And you know what? I didn't think to research it because these people are in the business and should know the rules, act and regulations.
Thanks. I will follow up.
April 12, 2012 8:41 AM

mumzthewurd said...
I know if you take the pedals off you can't pretend to be a bike and use the bike lanes anymore.
April 12, 2012 8:56 AM

TomW said...
Something to remember about mopeds and motorcycles... the availability of organs for transplants in the UK is directly correlated with motorcycle use. (Goes up in summer, down in winter).

Personaly, I would be
uncomfortable doing 50km/hr (or even 100km/hr) with nothing solid between me and anything that might hit me.
April 12, 2012 10:34 AM

Anonymous said...
Was there a fare inspector on duty on the train when this happened
April 12, 2012 5:02 PM

orillia3 said...
C.J. Smith is correct in that is how pedal removal should be charged, which is just a ticket. Instead police choose to ignore the law and charge as an unregistered, uninsured motor vehicle, which can bring fines of up to $50,000 plus costs, and lose the "offender" their drivers license for up to one year, plus requires valuable court time. Most people charged with pedal removal understandably with a minimum fine of $10,000 for no insurance, plead guilty to a lesser charge paying fines of a few hundreds of dollars. I might point out that the HTA does not apply until the ebike is ridden on the road, HTA does not apply on a Go train, so removal of the pedals is a moot point there. The owner could have just taken them off for easier transport.
April 12, 2012 7:30 PM

orillia3 said...
James said this thing is huge. The length of this Kiwi ebike is just over 5 feet, a few inches less than my mountain bike in my hallway. It is also just over two feet wide, my bike is just under two feet wide. So the statements about how huge this ebike is are sadly mistaken, it takes the same space as a regular bicycle, repeat, the same size length and width. True it weighs more, and the body is bulkier, but the height and width are essentially the same as a regular bicycle. Regular bicycles and ebikes are both permitted on Go trains with certain conditions against rush hour times, and against wheelchair accessible cars, so where is the problem? Go to the gotransit website for allowances and restrictions. As long as it had a sticker certifying it as an ebike and it was not breaking rush hour rules there is nothing wrong going on here, please move along.
April 12, 2012 7:32 PM

i took the piv said...
it *was* rush hour!
April 12, 2012 9:52 PM

NN said...
Can they plug it in during the train ride??
April 13, 2012 5:51 AM

Anonymous said...
Have the posting rules changed?
April 13, 2012 5:52 AM

Squiggles said...
I think Orillia, you are blowing smoke out of your ass.

My bike (normal, functions by sweat) is maybe 20 inches at the handles, only. It will take up far less room on the train (if I was the type of yahoo to do this) than the POS that is shown above.

The person in this pic was ignorant, inconsiderate and rude to his/her fellow passengers.

And Orillia, based on what I read above, I so want to say you were responsible for the jackassery pictured above.
April 13, 2012 8:17 AM

Shirker said...
I can't speak to the dimensions of this bike versus conventional ones but I can attest to the fact that conventional bikes don't impede passengers from exiting through both doors. You can see in the picture posted that everyone had to line up single file to exit the train.
April 13, 2012 10:53 AM

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