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Exploring God through Logic and Science - Every 4th Weds. at Barnes & Noble WP
Welcome to Exploring God through Logic and Science! Our events are always free, RSVPing is not absolutely necessary, and we should feel free to come to our meetings late or leave early. We're here to have a lot of fun, and make new friends, exploring a very deep and mysterious topic. Because the exploration of God is also somewhat controversial, it's very important that we always remain civil and respectful of each other. To most of us God is an entity that we believe exists, rather than an entity that we understand logically and scientifically exists. In this meetup we evolve beyond our world's often archaic traditional religious beliefs to examine whether or not God must logically exist, and whether science provides ample evidence of God's existence. We then explore God's nature, under this reason and science-based context. The group's official position is that God is a logically and scientifically undeniable truth, notwithstanding mistaken notions of God's nature by our world's religions over the last few millennia. We're, of course, open to hearing about, and exploring, any definitions and descriptions of God as long as they are based on logic and science rather than merely on what some guy a few thousand years ago purportedly said. To get us started, here's a proof for the existence and nature of God that we might want to explore. Before we start, in order to prove or disprove God's existence, we need to agree on what exactly God is. In terms of Her/His five most fundamental attributes, God is generally defined as omnipresent, eternal, the creator, omnipotent, and omniscient. If this conception of God seems a lot like the God described in the Bible, that’s because it essentially IS the God described in the Bible. Yes, we’ve needed to reject some attributes of God that have been proposed over the course of history, like Her/His transcendence. But that’s because some definitions of God simply defy logic, and are thereby inaccurate; i.e., it would be self-contradictory, or illogical, for God to be both everything and transcendent. I think we would agree that God is accurately defined as omnipresent, or everything. And we all clearly agree that everything does, in fact, exist, and sometimes refer to this everything as the universe. My thesis is that from this attribute of omnipresence, or "being everything, God's other four attributes can be logically derived, thereby logically proving God’s existence. First, because God is everything, nothing exists that is not God. God is, in fact, the only entity or "thing" that exists. That naturally means that God IS the universe. And because everything includes time, or all of the past, present, and future, God’s attribute of omnipresence also means that God must be eternal, having always existed and existing evermore. Because God is everything, S/He is the only entity that exists, and thus the only entity that can logically make happen anything that happens. So, God must have "created" our world, or observable universe. Through this same omnipresence, God is also logically understood to be omnipotent, defined as what causes everything that CAN happen to happen. No, God cannot do the impossible, like make one plus one equal three. Because all "non-material" aspects of our universe like knowledge, intelligence, purpose, understanding, intent, etc., are part of everything, they must therefore logically all be part of God. It’s not just that God knows, or thinks, or intends anything that has ever been known, thought or intended. God IS knowing, thinking and intending. Because God is everything, and knowledge is a part of everything, God must know everything that can be known, and must therefore logically be considered to be omniscient. That's the proof. If God is most fundamentally defined as everything, God must certainly exist. I look forward to our having fun exploring this and any other logic/science-based ideas about God that we've heard, read, or come up with on our own.

Barnes and Noble Cafe

230 Main Street · White Plains, NY

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Hey everyone,

First, we're here to have a lot of fun, and make new friends, exploring a very deep and mysterious topic. Because the exploration of God is also somewhat controversial, it's very important that we always remain civil and respectful of each other during our conversations.

To most of us God is an entity that we believe exists, rather than an entity that we understand logically and scientifically exists. In this meetup we evolve beyond our world's often archaic traditional religious beliefs to examine whether or not God must logically exist, and whether science provides ample evidence of God's existence. We then explore God's nature, under this reason and science-based context.

The group's official position is that God is a logically and scientifically undeniable truth, notwithstanding mistaken notions of God's nature by our world's religions over the last few millennia.

We're, of course, open to hearing about, and exploring, any definitions and descriptions of God as long as they are based on logic and science rather than merely on what some guy a few thousand years ago purportedly said.

To get us started, here's a proof for the existence and nature of God that we might want to explore:

There are six fundamental questions we can ask; who, what, where, when, how, and why. All other questions are subsumed within these. Let’s apply them to the Biblical first statement “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth” in order to arrive at a logical proof of God’s existence.

In this sentence, God is the subject, or "who", and the reality that existed before S/He created the world. There can be no what, where, when, how and why without there being a who. That’s why God existing as omnipresent, or both what preceded the world and what S/He made the world of, is the most fundamental of God’s attributes.

The next most fundamental question is "what" because there can be no where, when, how or why without there being a what. In our context, the what is that God created the world. It’s what S/He did. That is why God's attributes of being the Creator and Her/His omnipotence are more fundamental to all others except that of Her/His omnipresence.

The next most fundamental questions are "where" and "when" because there can be no how or why without there being a where and when. In our context, where and when both apply to pre-creation reality, and then also to post-creation reality. This is why God’s attributes of eternalness and, again, omnipresence, are more fundamental than Her/His attributes related to how and why, like whether or not God has intelligence and purpose.

The least fundamental, and not incidentally the most difficult, questions are "how" and "why." How did God create the world? It could have been through Her/His divine intelligence and consciousness, but that’s only a guess. And it seems we can never know why, although we can guess at this too.

Challenges to God’s existence that rely on evidence of Her/His intelligence, consciousness, design, etc. are not as relevant, nor as knowable, nor as fundamental to demonstrating Her/His existence as are the evidence of Her/His omnipresence, creativeness, eternalness and omnipotence. Did God “intelligently design” our universe? Relative to our human understanding of these concepts, yes, but certainly not through what is referred to as “Intelligent Design” that holds the world to be about 6,000 years old.

Proof of God’s existence is derived from Her/His most fundamental attributes as they relate to the most fundamental of the six questions that can be asked; who, what, where, when, why and how. And once the fact that God is most fundamentally defined as everything is established, his next most fundamental attributes of being eternal, omnipotent and the Creator become correlates that are necessarily logically derived.

Well, that's the group. I hope you join us, and have fun at our events!

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