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Campaign For Real Democracy 3-6 month Action Plan

Christina W.
user 3986671
London, GB
Post #: 11
You can join our CRD Social Action Group Here http://21stcenturynet...­

Here's the news:

1. The CRD Manifesto project has been moved to a more accessible place here - feel free to contribute!

2. The next CRD (Campaign for Real Democracy) meeting will be held by Webinar. At the last meeting, held at Host Universal on the 2nd December Rikki Blue kindly flimed the proceedings which we hope to have on line in the next month or so. This followed two successful meetings at Passing Clouds in Hackney.

3. Two short, delighful films made by Baraka about the campaign have been made. You can see the films here and here

4. For further updates and info on the campaign, please visit People in Common

People always ask what is meant by 'real democracy'. I will attempt to answer the question from two basic starting points:

(1) Real Democracy in Organisation. Small groups of people who meet regularly and convivially together, to make decisions face-to-face and with a deep respect for every person involved show us the way, through an emphasis on equality. Likewise, communities work best when they are really democratic, because everyone gets an equal share in power. So, the first aspect of our campaign will be to encourage democratic decision making in the communities that we come across, including the 21st Century Network!

(2) Real Democracy in Society Starting with this basic truth about the need for equality in actual decision making, it becomes clear that modern society is far from democratic. This is unsurprising because real democracy is not about elections, in fact, it works best when there are no elections at all. It is our view that in order for our constitution to be worthy of the name 'democracy', it will need to be organised on substantially different lines to the present model.

So far, CRD meetings and on-line discussions have identified the following priorities:

(1) attracting the wider population to join a movement for real democracy and civil society
(2) offering advice / support / encouragement / materials to individuals and groups on how to start a CRD in their local area
(3) advocating for members who have the aim of a really democratic civil society / progress / cultural transformation in mind
(4) equalising the relationship between civil society, state and market in the public's mind, and in structural arrangements
(5) making international connections and using the web / social networking / tech to the best effect

Real democracy can be effectively applied in and to any group. Usually people will be more than willing to have a say, while they may be rarely given the chance. One interesting conceptual framework for all this is Henri Lebfevre's "The Right to the City". This has been described as the "collective right to shape the city to your own hearts' desire, and be changed oneself as a result".

Here are the Minutes from our first CRD Meeting.doc

And the second one...23rd July CRD Minutes.wps

Come to one of our meetings if:

1. You think there are a few people in your area who might want to run their own affairs in a really democratic way (for convenience we're defining 'local area' using council wards - http://en.wikipedia.o...­
2 .You've experienced something you think is real democracy-in-action (in organisations like the climate camp) and want to see it spread
3. You'd like to see your area or your group become democratic but don't really know anyone else that thinks the same or even what real democracy might look like.
4. You want to find ways to join up the campaigns.

Also, come to the next Big Democracy Picnic, details tbc.

If you wish to join our wide ranging email discussion forum, please do so at Project 2012 or to join the low-traffic, dedicated CRD list, pls email james@dogmanet.org

Mark Barrett
(Campaign For Real Democracy Coordinator)

A former member
Post #: 479
Democracy is rubbish. If 51% of people can vote me hung, then that is not just. I want individual sovereignty and protection under common law. Nobody should vote away by natural rights.


A former member
Post #: 1
Or alternatively democracy is not rubbish it just isn't practised very often or embedded. As is stands 51% of people can't vote to get you hung so I wouldn't worry too much about it Phil. The idea of individual sovereignty when taken to extremes collapses pretty quickly into disembodied utopian nonsense - a collection of individuals wholly isolated from one another - erm there's a good idea (not). Likewise there are not many people who would subscribe to or be able to manifest natural rights - where exactly are natural rights conjured up from? Instead what we have are competing notions of the good, and so therfore a messy, pluralist and transactional description of democracy is something we need to take seriously and push for - as the campaign for real democracy seeks to do. posted by Matt Scott

Democracy is rubbish. If 51% of people can vote me hung, then that is not just. I want individual sovereignty and protection under common law. Nobody should vote away by natural rights.



Mark B.
user 7401464
London, GB
Post #: 63
Within 3 months CRD hopes to:

1. Achieve regular video conferenced CRD meetings at a central London venue and/or be holding regular 21stC Network CRD webinars
2. Mobilise a reasonable coalition in response to the coming General Election and strategically towards London in 2012
3. Develop the CRD manifesto further, consulting with other groups on it and presenting it on-line in video and/or other formats
4. Co-convene CRD meetings with other groups to build understanding and capacity

Our action plan to do this:

1. We've attended 'The People Speak' www.pstv.net monthly training session on 27th Jan, and are now seeking to convene a meeting with Saul from PSTV and other interested parties to move this forward. Also experiment with Webinars..
2. We convened a two-day 'Election mobilisation' meeting on Saturday and Sunday Jan 30th/31st. This was attended by about 60 people, and was followed by another meeting on the 13th Feb. A web site is now being set up and plans are coming together nicely! Next meeting 27th and 28th Feb, 3pm - 7pm both days at the Foundry near Old Street tube station, Great Eastern Street, London, EC2A 3JL‎‎
http://maps.google.co...­
All 21st Century Networkers very welcome
3. This is an ongoing project, email crdlondon@gmail.com for more info
4. With the Community Sector Coalition (CSC) we convened a meeting at UCL on Feb 20th to connect with the third sector about real democracy and local environmentalism, and we're looking for other opportunities to do the same with other groups. This meeting was a good one and a report will follow.

Within six months CRD hopes to:

Hold a 21st Century Meet Up with the RSA on Civic Engagement, as a follow on from 'The Real Third Way' and the Right to the City and CRD mini-meet up held earlier this year. Ideally around the questions: how best are we to empower civil society in accordance with the principles of CRD to ensure gains 'equality of arms' with the state and the market? and what are the historic, British / EU constitutional implications of this..?

Happy to see a discussion on that very topic develop here!

A former member
Post #: 169
Democracy is rubbish. If 51% of people can vote me hung, then that is not just. I want individual sovereignty and protection under common law. Nobody should vote away by natural rights.


I think you will found that most human rights abuse occurs in countries that are not democracies Ie Burma.
Also, as a matter of interest climate change is not a fraud. Its very real and And happening now.
Janos A.
janos2
London, GB
Post #: 203
Democracy is rubbish. If 51% of people can vote me hung, then that is not just. I want individual sovereignty and protection under common law. Nobody should vote away by natural rights.
I think you will find that most human rights abuse occurs in countries that are not democracies Ie Burma.
Also, as a matter of interest climate change is not a fraud. Its very real and And happening now.

The current system is a degenerate form of democracy. The degeneration started when the movement for universal franchise achieved one part of democracy and did not continue to fight for the second, essential, part; that is, economic democracy.

One brief description of economic democracy is the distribution of the monetized benefits of the "increment of association". In modern terms, that would mean a basic income as of right to every adult in a society.
Then individual citizens, who so choose, would have the time to acquire the information and competence needed to be part of the operation of the machinery of governance. The era of the self serving professional political class managing a pretend democracy could come to an end.


By the way, whatever happened to the Campaign for Real Democracy?

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