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UniversiTea: Surveillance

  • Dec 15, 2013 · 11:00 AM
  • Kathleen's House (Directions will be emailed to those who RSVP)

UniversiTea is a chance to explore challenging and often philosophical questions in detail in a comfortable and relaxed environment. We dim the lights, have some tea and treats and let the conversation flow. The topic will be the emergence of the surveillance state and whether or not the benefits outweigh the problems. Everyone is encouraged to bring a treat/snack to share and we'll provide the tea.

We'll be holding this UniversiTea in Kathleen's home near the university. We'll send the address to everyone who RSVPs to the event.

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  • A former member
    A former member

    Good to get others' thoughts on 'Big Brother'. I hope everyone had a chance to see last nights 60 minutes episode where the NSA got a chance to describe what they do and how they do it. Only 60 U.S. citizens are currently under the watchful eye of the NSA , all with the proper legal paperwork obtained in advance. Anyone who didn't see it should try to catch it when it replays later this week. A better understanding of how the NSA works might help some feel more comfortable with what's going on in the world of surveillance today.

    December 16, 2013

    • Robert V.

      It was good to get your perspective , Peter, thanks for coming. It's great to have an opportunity for a civil discussion with someone with a different viewpoint.

      December 16, 2013

    • Lee C.

      Peter, thanks, I didnt know it was on but will watch it. Sorry I missed the discussion!

      December 16, 2013

  • Laura F.

    I got called into work-need the money since laid up for so long with last back procedure. I keep hoping to make it to the events-life and medical problems continue to interfere with my plans. Hope you all have a great time and consume some knowledge!!

    December 15, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Here's a link to an interesting article on Glenn Greenwald... hot off the press.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/14/1262757/-Koch-Libertarian-Glenn-Greenwald-s-NSA-hypocrisy-Paypal-Omidyar
    Differing points of view abound.
    Pete

    1 · December 15, 2013

  • Jesse B.

    Juli B. has let me know that she would like to attend with 2 others. I've added them to my RSVP count.

    December 10, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    There's an exhibit about Lincoln at Colorado Mesa University Tomlinson Library. I thought this comment from the college website was interesting and perhaps somewhat relevant to the topic:
    "Civil Liberties: Lincoln claimed extraordinary powers in order to control the chaos of dissent during the Civil War. He suspended the writ of habeas corpus, —the provision in the Constitution that protects citizens against arbitrary arrests. By 1863, thousands of civilians had been detained, mostly suspected draft dodgers and deserters and Confederate sympathizers in the Border States and the South. For these actions, Lincoln was denounced as a tyrant by his political foes. He struggled throughout the war to find the appropriate balance between national security and individual rights."

    1 · December 9, 2013

    • Robert V.

      The important distinction, in my mind, is that Lincoln's measures were temporary. In our current situation, Bush put us on a permanent war/surveillance footing, and the Obama administration, despite his campaign rhetoric, has codified it.

      December 10, 2013

    • Lee C.

      And it doesn't look to me as if the terrorist threats are going to be temporary. Maybe it should be like fingerprints - info is in a database, but can't be accessed without warrants and better oversight by the FISA court and congress??? I really don't think there is a perfect answer.

      December 10, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I'll be there.
    I agree with Lee on this one. Without your government, we wouldn't have the freedoms and the rights (including privacy) that we have. Our participation in that gov't is almost exclusively relegated to 'going to the polls' at election time. We elect officials who subsequently are empowered to make these decisions on our (societies) behalf. the courts have spoken on this and the surveillance is the law. Doesn't always feel right but it's your democracy at work.

    1 · December 9, 2013

  • Lee C.

    I hate that I have to miss this one! Just read Matthew aid's history of NSA. I think we humans have a bad fault of thinking things are true because we would like them to be true - like that we can have protection from terrorists without sacrificing anything like our privacy. And to me, there is a big difference between the agencies listening to my phone conversations, and having access to databases of what numbers called what numbers. Seems like we have to have that. And have really excellent oversight by the FISA court and our congressional intelligence committees. That last phrase worries me, though, combining "congressional" with "intelligence"!!!

    1 · December 9, 2013

  • Laura F.

    Cool, sounds fun! Is there a speaker? Thank you for the reading suggestions Robert. I look forward to learning more about the topic prior to the Universitea!

    December 2, 2013

    • Jesse B.

      Laura, we were just planning to have our usual discussion setting and no speaker. However, I may see if I can con Robert into presenting some information based on Glenn Greenwald's writings at our board meeting tomorrow night.

      December 2, 2013

  • Robert V.

    I can't wait for this conversation. Before we meet, I would encourage anyone who is interested to research Glenn Greenwald's writings over the past 4-5 years. on Salon and more recently The Guardian. A lot of brilliance, and a lot of great journalism, with the caveat that his opinions are definitely passed through his prism and bias.

    1 · November 13, 2013

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  • Jesse B. +3
    Director, Organizer,
    Event Host
  • Robert V.
    Past Board Chair
  • Velvet
    Volunteer Coordinator, Co-Organizer
  • Stacy
    Board Treasurer, Assistant Organizer
  • A former member
  • A former member
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