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Re: [Just-Food-City-Chicken-Meetup-NYC] Our sweet Ameraucana has infected eye...

From: user 9.
Sent on: Monday, November 25, 2013 12:59 PM
Melina,
 
Thank you for all of your good advice, you are a huge asset to this board.
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/25/[masked]:52:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [address removed] writes:
I do all of that but not everyone can. Whats important to know is who to go to who can and who can advise, because the vets really dont know. Ive run into vets giving wrong meds for certain things and also people not realizing that a vet treating something like bumblefoot could run in the thousands of dollars. 
I learned early on about real worming and I also do it. The DE and natural cures may prevent but they dont cure and if you see what happens inside you will feel bad to not have done something for fear of being "not natural"
The important thing is to have a go-to, and Peter Brown in a good one (First state vet supply) even if he charges you a fee for a consult. If you buy from him he waives it and he really has the knowledge and access to the supplies.
everyone should have a wellness kit for their birds in case something happens. There are basic meds that chicken keepers should keep. One of those is sulmet, and another is wazine and another wormer to use as a followup a week later. I like pour on eprinex. also poultry dust and the aforementioned eprinex for mites and lice.

The issue about health can be addressed with cleanliness and keeping stress low, but also you have to realize how contagious chicken illnesses are and how they are carried. Mareks is in feather dust so you can pick it up at the feed store or at someone else's coop. The same thing with some of the respiratory infections. The worst are the shows. I love chicken shows but many birds there , though NPIP certified , are carriers of other things that don't appear maybe ever, and can be passed on to other birds easily. Birds can recover from an illness and become a carrier of the same illness, and thats why keeping chickens as pets is so hard. As I have gone on, I have realized the need to cull some sick birds for the good of the flock. I have evolved into someone who can treat a bumblefoot or impacted crop for myself or members of my meetup, and I also have stopped getting overly attached. I look at the quality of their lives and I dont go crazy trying to extend their lives at the risk of the flock.

Many many breeders have had some of these sicknesses in their flocks without knowing, they pass through the flock and they just dont show up again, so they dont think of them actively. But birds they are selling have them, and if they show birds at the big shows, then that is passed on. The rules about testing dont cover a tiny corner of what could kill a whole flock. But if you get birds at shows its still good to isolate them for at least 2 weeks and look for bubbly eyes, runny nose,  etc...

Mareks used to be something that was an issue as far as preventing it from migrating,  but now its accepted that its everywhere. still many breeders and hatcheries dont vaccinate for it. Many hatcheries tell people ordering chicks that its unnecessary. There is no amount of clean enough you can be if you ever brought a bag of feed from a feed store..or a bale of hay...into your coop. These germs are there and this is feather dust that comes off of one person shopping and on to another. They also find these things in the tires of delivery trucks that go from farm to farm and to feed store.... also wild birds carry these things and also rodents...still, keeping clean is best.

I agree with Peter Brown about vaccinating for things that are issues in your area, and also about building immune systems and good nutrition. He has some products with oregano oil and there are a few sources for chicken specific probiotics out there. (one of which is a new chicken probiotic and  I am going to post it on my meetup page with a discount for meetup members) These things are proven to have effect. They are not a cure but they can help your chickens fight off the inevitable diseases. 
It takes years sometimes to ever come in contact with this stuff but when it happens you want to be prepared. Keep a small closed coop and dont do rescue and you could avoid it...use bagged wood chips and  transfer feed from bags into a separate rodent proof container outside the coop. no hay. 
I dont do all of  these things because I am on a large piece of land and its impossible, but I do what I can;-)

Melina



On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Maggie <[address removed]> wrote:
Oh yes, I can't even afford the vets around here for my chickens, and no-one knows anything about them anyway.

Luckily my flock has been healthy. But I do keep it really clean here and that is the beginning. Clean bedding/water/feed gives you a fighting  chance to avoid some diseases. No overcrowding and give them room to roam when at all possible. Stress brings on a lot of unnecessary illnesses by reducing their immune systems It leaves that door open for sickness to creep through.
 
I lost a bird last year and believe she had worms. I never used to worm my birds in the past and didn't have any problems. I was a day late and a dollar short on that one. I now worm my birds and saw a weight gain after a couple of weeks. 
I've learned how to treat/cut out  bumble foot myself from backyard chickens.  I have also removed an abscess from an infection under a chicken's eye that was enormous. Not for the meek that's for sure. lol But I figure I am their keeper and do the best I can to raise them well.

Maggie
 
 
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [Just-Food-City-Chicken-Meetup-NYC] Our sweet Ameraucana
has infected eyes. In need of a Vet
From: Melina Brown <[address removed]>
Date: Mon, November 25,[masked]:47 am
To: [address removed]

And a mite cheapet than the vet....he has helped me a lot. We were thinking of having an intensive chicken health course with him here. Maybe the ny group would like to have him teach in ny at the same time.
He would charge for attendance and we have to put him up but it could be great.
Melina ...from my tablet
On Nov 25,[masked]:20 AM, "Maggie" <[address removed]> wrote:
Melina gave good advice. I have Dr. Brown's kit and it's great to keep on hand. I actually recently won another one on a list I am on and it's full of great meds and vitamins and instructions for the use of each item.etc. I believe it costs $25.00 + about $8.00 shipping.
Here is  direct link to the site  if anyone needs it.
 
 
Doc Brown is a really helpful man as well.

Maggie
 
 
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Just-Food-City-Chicken-Meetup-NYC] Our sweet Ameraucana
has infected eyes. In need of a Vet
From: Melina Brown <[address removed]>
Date: Mon, November 25, [masked]:06 am
To: [address removed]

You need sulmet for drinking water, mike. The two things to try are first sulmet in drinking water. If it doesnt work right away, like within 2 days, then tylan 50 injectible or orally if you are squeamish, which you can order or get at tractor supply. Mike you should carry sulmet. Check out first state vet supply online for some products that many pet food stores and feed stores are starting to carry.
This could be many things, but mostly it goes under the heading of crd. Be aware that not all avian vets know the common problems of backyard flocks. They are taught for the large poultry industry which never allows its birds outside. If someone has a vet that keeps chickens, thats a better way to spend money.
My questions , regardless of the vet ,are does she have swelling of the eyes? If you press lightly on the area under the eyes does anyrhing come from the nostrils? If so, what color?  Open her beak and look at the roof of her mouth . Is there white stuff there or phlegm? Look at the opening behind the tongue that opens and closes? Is there any white gunk there inside or around the opening? Also do you see any blood at all?
Does it smell in her mouth? Some infections smell a little but the worst one smells really bad.
The vet will likely give you baytril or something like tylan. Many expensive tests are pretty unnecessary but they will try to do them. Ask how the treatment will change with testing.
The state vet at cornell can advise you on many of these things but really there are a few common sicknesses and a few treatments. I am lucky that connecticut has a good lab and transport to necropsy chickens that die ( in order to save the flock because the others will get sick)
But i have also learned the meds that they try in turn.
Im interestdd to hear what the vet says.
Many of these sicknesses are highly contagious in the flock so isolate her to the crate and keep her warm. Also she may be a carrier if she survives, and this may recur. It will be in your flock. Thats why we cull sick birds.
The Animal med ctr is a great facility for many things but not for this. I hope that if you go there you set a budget in your mind beforehand. Much of what they do is just to know but it doesnt change treatment or outcome.
There is a vet on the upper west side in the 80s that serves Fauna which is a parrot store up there. They are an exotics vet. I just think that you are better off at a point calling peter brown at first state vet supply and overnighting the meds you need. He knows his stuff and has everything you might need..
Also check his preventative lines. He has a sick chicken kit that is good to have. I can also tell you what to keep on hand.
Let us know what happens but meantime isolate her and keep her warm.
I had a large breed chicken freeze to death the other night in myinsulated coop. Be sure to run an extension cord and light bulb to your coop when it gets very cold, especially sudden cold.
Never totally trust just the clamp but use a back up zip tie or carabiner to a separate secure eye hook or the like.
A heat light or a regular bulb will help.
Also premier1 online has the best safe fixtures for heat lamps. They are very safe.
I have the public schools where i teach teachers about hatching using them in the classrooms. They are great.
Good luck
Melina
South Bronx.  I just made an appointment with a Vet in the UES for tomorrow morning.  


On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Diane <[address removed]> wrote:
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On Nov 24, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Kendra Brown <[address removed]> wrote:

Our school received five beautiful chickens this fall.  They are healthy and happy accept for our sweetest hen who has an eye infection.

The first eye had bubbles and seemed irritated.  We would occasional rinse the eye with water and it seemed to be getting better.  Now both eyes are irritated and this morning she would not come out of the coop to visit or eat.  This is not like her.  I think now she can't see.

I just purchased a crate and I'm willing to take her to a vet.  Any suggestions?  Help!  The kids love her and so do I.  She is the only one of our five hens that will eat corn right out of your hand.

Thank you in advance.




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