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Re: [ljc] "I've never been a true believer in the Agile method"

From: Wesley H.
Sent on: Friday, June 14, 2013 11:46 AM
What does it mean to 'believe in' agile methods? I tend to associate belief with dogmatism, and if that is the intended association, I am with you on that. Primarily because 'dogmatic agile' is oxymoronic. 

In my experience, most of the components of what we call agile methods, are fairly effective. At least when compared to commonly used alternatives. Ivory tower 'software architects' (read: software philosophers), planning out the shape of things to come for the next 2 years certainly doesn't seem to work very well. 

Short iterations, not planning too far ahead, regular reviews, generally rolling with the punches. These things, in my experience, work pretty well. 

I don't really like the whole industry that has popped up around 'agile'. It's becoming a 'camp', when it should just be common sense. 

All this said, at the root of things, it's really simple. If you have a good team, you'll deliver good stuff, if you don't have a good team, then you wont. No methodology in the world is every going to change that, but there are ways to make good teams as effective as possible. Allowing good teams to 'self-organise' is one of those things. 

The trick is to understand the whys rather than the hows of the whole agile thing, once you do that then you can figure out your own solutions to the whys, if the hows presented don't float your boat. 

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Shaine <[address removed]> wrote:
Just for curiosity, why do you believe in the Agile method?

On 14 June[masked]:04, Ged Byrne <[address removed]> wrote:
Thanks to Mani for pointing me to Ben's Fenymann talk at

And thank you to Ben Evans for say "I've never been a true believer in the Agile method."

I want to echo what he said for my self: "I don't believe in the Agile method."

I feel much better for that.  Is there anybody else out there who wants to join the heresy?

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