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Re: [ljc] "I've never been a true believer in the Agile method"

From: Daniel B.
Sent on: Friday, June 14, 2013 3:35 PM
+1 to Wes' comments - I think there is a lot of value to be taken from the core tenets of what we refer to as 'Agile' methodology.

I think it would be impractical to develop a large proportion of software projects using the original waterfall/BUFD methodologies in the current technical and social climate, where disruptive technologies (hardware and software) and interconnection are pervasive.

Aside from a few industries where regulation requires upfront long-term planning it's also the case that the customer increasingly wants to participate in the development process, which would be very difficult without the agile approach.

Echoing Martijn's comments I would definitely recommend that everyone looks at the original Agile Manifesto (, especially developers new to the industry. It's quite remarkable how much fluff has accumulated around the core four principles.

I'm assuming that when people are saying they haven't been a true believer of agile, they are referring to this 'fluff'?

On a related note I had to smile (and maybe cry a little inside) when I was at a Continuous Delivery conference in London on Monday - Andrew Phillips of XebiaLabs put up a slide with the first core principle of the Agile Manifesto  'Individuals and interactions over processes and tool' and asked how many people in the audience knew where this was from. Out of a room full of 150+ software developers and project managers only 2 of us knew what it was! Earlier in the day a presenter asked who was doing Agile Development and almost everyone in the audience raised their hand...

Best wishes,


On 14/06/[masked]:05, Jon Hatfield wrote:
I agree with applying agile in a manner that suits you. I find daily scrum meetings the most useful so everyone is up to date with each other. Aside from that I prefer a project management approach i.e.(changeable) milestones and strict use of e.g. jira to plan (again in a changeable way).


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From: "Martijn Verburg" <[address removed]>
Date: Fri, Jun 14,[masked]:59
Subject: [ljc] "I've never been a true believer in the Agile method"
To: <[address removed]>

My suggestion is that people read the original manifesto and apply it in a
manner that best suits themselves and their organisation.

Anyone who's seen my Diabolical Developer and Modern Software Development
Anti-Pattern (with Ben) rants to know my opinions on this particular
subject, yes Scrum is a pyramid scheme ;-).


On 14 June[masked]:28, Ged Byrne <[address removed]> wrote:

> Because I want facts, not opinions.  I certainly don't want beliefs.  Only
> placebo's require belief.  "Belief" is what I object to, not "Agile."
> Because In the beginning it was about uncovering better ways of developing
> software.  Now I have come to associate the "Agile" approach with dogma and
> mantra.  Many keep insisting that the best way to develop software has
> already been uncovered.  I think we still have a long way to go.
> Because, to paraphrase Wilde, whenever everybody agrees with something I
> always feel it must be wrong.
> On 14 June[masked]:11, Shaine <[address removed]> wrote:
>> Just for curiosity, why do you believe in the Agile method?
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