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Feminism in popular opinion, in society, and in Islam.

Assalam-U-alaykum Warahmahtullahi Wabarakatuhu.

May the Peace, Mercy and Blessings of our Lord be with us. 


Central Theme-

Feminism in popular opinion, in society, and in Islam.


Sub Questions/ Topics-

1-  What is Feminism? Is the feminist movement ambiguous? Are Feminists a part of a group or is Feminism more of an idea or generalisation?

2-  Feminism in the Media - Has the term feminism been hijacked by the media? If so, Why?  And How?

3-  Do young females feel obliged to behave and look a certain way and if so, is this behaviour defined by Islam or by external influences such as the media, peer pressure and society at large.

4- Feminism in Islam- Do women and men have certain rights over each other? religion?

5-  Are man and woman equal? Should women be treated like men or vice-versa? or are they both being treated according to a common ground? if so, who is defining this common ground? media? law? culture? 

6-  Can a man be a Feminist? Was our Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) a feminist?

7-  Are females less ruthless and more empathetic than males when it comes to life, love and money. If so, is it really a bad thing that they have less of a competitive nature 

8- Feminism and law - Is making the wearing of a hijaab/ niqaab illegal in law just as bad or more so than a man who forces a woman to do so?

9- Is feminism (Boys v Girls) the ultimate form of divide and rule?  Does Feminism distract us from a unified reality?

10-  The Future of Feminism and the rise of man-ism/ men-ism. Do you feel that males have been unable or unwilling to express there own emotions in a time where focus has been placed on Feminism?


Please Please Please, if you cannot make it, don't forget to remove your RSVP or if it's last minute, you can always text (i've left my details below), It's not nice for others to wait around and expecting people to turn up.

Also, please make sure you have done some thinking and research around the sub questions. If there is anything you would like to see added, please let me know in a private message.

Umair -[masked]

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  • Safiyah

    I found this really interesting, about the 'beat verse' in the Qur'an.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jbve_GeAdI

    April 30, 2014

    • Umair S.

      I've set up a thread in the discussions page. Please continue there. I've copy and pasted the all the above into the new thread.

      1 · May 1, 2014

    • Safiyah

      Omg I just got the 'you can't beat that' joke LOL slowwww

      May 1, 2014

  • seed

    The Quran tells you to pray. It does NOT tell you how to pray, when to pray etc.

    1 · May 1, 2014

    • Claire K.

      The Koran enunciates general principles and leaves the details to the reasonable Muslim.

      May 1, 2014

    • Umair S.

      I've set up a thread in the discussions page. Please continue there. I've copy and pasted the all the above into the new thread.

      1 · May 1, 2014

  • Saif

    Maybe begin with why we are told not to hit children, then track when the so-called 'beat women' line in the Qur'an becomes relevant: what happens to women from girlhood to becoming a married woman?

    Also, UK daily press is full of domestic violence against women and men, Muslim and nonbelievers alike. Is it fair to say violence is a part of married life? Are these Quranic verses in place to curb/contain this occurance of violence?

    May 1, 2014

  • Aamer

    Mash'Allah the event was good! The first meetup that I have attend in which views on matters Islamic were freely and frankly expressed in air of tolerance and respect. Oh and the tea was a nice touch too! :) Jazak Allah and thanks to the host and participants.

    2 · April 27, 2014

    • Aamer

      I believe it was Umair who also hosted/chaired the event.

      April 27, 2014

    • Claire K.

      Thanks, Umair!

      1 · April 27, 2014

  • Safiyah

    Salaams, thanks for organising the meet up today Umair, I found it very insightful. InshAllah I want to organise something a little closer to where I live and if you and Marwan have any advice on running such meet ups I'd appreciate your thoughts. What kind of discussions attract more people? Structure of the discussion? How to ensure everyone has an input. Etc etc anything to ensure a successful discussion where people gain as well as give. Thanks, Allah bless you and guide us all

    April 26, 2014

    • Umair S.

      ahahaha... great advice Marwan! Start with people who are closest to you but don't usually get involved in such things. This will have the greatest impact on us and our immediate surroundings inshallah.

      1 · April 27, 2014

    • Safiyah

      Thanks guys, will do. I have an idea and a destination so inshAllah I'll get in touch with you soon with a date!

      April 27, 2014

  • Claire K.

    I enjoyed meeting everyone and the round table discussion. I thought it was well-attended and well-managed. Looking forward to the next one!

    April 26, 2014

    • Umair S.

      Thanks Claire. Great thoughts and great sense of humour. love it !

      1 · April 27, 2014

  • Saif

    Fascinating insights into how far we've moved on in the crumbling West

    April 27, 2014

  • Malik

    I know this has nothing to do with the topic but I thought I’d post this as I need help. I am currently trying to establish a charity to improve the availability of cheaper more affordable medicines in the developing world, starting with Pakistan. The organisation will focus on Drug dispensement, Education and Government Lobbying and will inshallah allow more of the country’s poorest people to have access to health care.
    I have written a short paper on the subject, which I am currently distributing to as many people as I can and am looking for help to get this initiative off the ground. I’m especially looking for people in the following fields: Doctors, Pharmacists, Researchers, Pharmaceuticals, Web Design, PR/Branding, Fundraising/Charity, Marketing, Business development, Accountancy and Legal.
    So if you would like to get involved or would like me to send you a copy of the paper so you can get a better understanding of the idea then please message me.

    April 24, 2014

    • seed

      India is a poor country. They are producing their own medicines now. Surely it makes sense to be importing medicine from their given the locality, ease of access etc.

      April 24, 2014

    • Malik

      Hi Seed, Yes I know as do Pakistan. But the industry unlike the UK NHS system is run for profit and not for the benefit of the people. Hence the doctors and pharmacies are more interested in supplying meds that make more money for them and not what is best or cheapest. If you message me with your email address I'll send you my idea so you can better understand the concept and let me know your thoughts as I what to get the views of as many people as possible. Thanks

      April 24, 2014

  • Claire K.

    Some of you may wish to join Quora at http://www.quora.com/ It is highly censored by PC Libtards but if you don't ask any questions about me they may let you stay awhile. They are very touchy about feminism! http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/quora-feminism-and-free-speech.html

    1 · April 22, 2014

    • Marwan

      Political correctness is a topic worthy of discussion also. It is an interesting phenomenon a small societal tool.

      2 · April 22, 2014

    • Claire K.

      It is censorship used by liberals.

      April 22, 2014

  • seed

    What's the point of this group

    1 · April 20, 2014

    • seed

      Sounds interesting. I often get told i hold backward, neanderthal, male chauvanistic views - i think i will come to your next meeting. thanks

      1 · April 21, 2014

    • Umair S.

      The purpose is always to try and understand our beliefs and why we are the way we are.

      April 21, 2014

  • Umair S.

    I've tried to put the questions into some order. Please let me know if there's anything you want to see added or removed from the discussion

    April 16, 2014

  • Umair S.

    Questions updated, I will try to put them in some sort of order in the next few days

    April 11, 2014

  • Umair S.

    I've created a discussions page on this topic if anyone would like to discuss the topic before we meet up. I will keep changing the sub questions for the debate based on the feedback through this page. Jazakallah.

    1 · April 5, 2014

  • Umair S.

    Likewise, thanks Claire. will have a read through everything and include some of these in the questions above. Everyone should notice that the questions keep changing along with all the input I receive

    1 · April 5, 2014

  • Marwan

    Thanks for the comments Claire. All good points for discussion.

    2 · April 3, 2014

  • Claire K.

    83% of female MPs voted for gay marriage while only 48% of male MPs did. If you still don't think women and men think, speak and act differently, it is time to take a reality check. Why are more female MPs indifferent to sexual immorality than male MPs?

    One possible explanation is calculated self-interest. Women are really as promiscuous as men but understandably prefer not to be punished. If standards of sexual morality are conveniently low they they are more likely to escape punishment, so that is why they collectively conspire to lower it. Or they are just following the crowd.

    Or they are blindly obedient to their leader.

    Or they are easily intimidated.

    1 · March 31, 2014

  • Claire K.

    Does Feminism undermine marriage and does undermining marriage undermine the family? If the answers to both questions is yes, is feminism evil?

    1 · March 31, 2014

  • Claire K.

    What are the Three Pillars of Feminism?

    (1) The Equality Act 2010
    (2) No Fault Divorce
    (3) The Welfare State.

    1 · March 31, 2014

  • Claire K.

    The Principles of Feminism

    1. Men can have extramarital sex without getting pregnant. Because men can have extramarital sex without getting pregnant, it is OK for men to have extramarital sex.

    2. Women must be treated the same as men. Women must be treated the same as men even if they are the ones who get pregnant after having extramarital sex.

    3. Extramarital sex is OK, especially if it undermines the institution of marriage and the family, because that would undermine the patriarchy, which feminists make it their aim to destroy.

    1 · March 31, 2014

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