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Re: [NYC-rb] Re: [Workshop] The Art of Cucumber

From: Mimi H
Sent on: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:53 PM
Guys - instead of tromping on each other, why not just let market dynamics set the standard? If it's too expensive and people don't find the value they won't come. easy peasy. yawn.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Ryan Ong <[address removed]> wrote:
I think most people in the ruby community don't teach or help to make money or even break even. I think a lot of people just want to give back to the community that has given them so much.

I also question an 8 hour class. That is REALLY intense to learn a specific tool. I would expect an 8 hour class to learn maybe an entirely new language but not a specific tool. 
Ryan
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On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Peter Bell <[address removed]> wrote:
@Vik,

Wow. How much do you charge per hour for coding? When I code I make $125/hr. 8 hours of training with at least 8 hours of prep means I'd need to clear $2k to justify running a course (I don't do Ruby training - just as well if $400 is considered pricy!). Assuming space for a day is another $800 (I don't know rates in the city - that may be pretty optimistic), just to break even on time and costs I'd need to make $2800. So at $20 a head, that'd be 140 attendees (which wouldn't fit into a $800 room). 

I don't think $400 is unreasonable for a day of training. If it shaves 3-8 hours (depending on your hourly rate) off of the time it takes you to do things over the next couple of months it'd pay for itself - either for yourself as a contractor or for your boss as an employee.

Also, at $125/hr (or even $50/hr), the biggest cost by far of a day long course is the 8-10 hours I don't get to work/bill. 

Just to ask vik, would *you* be willing to rent a space in Manhattan and take a day off of work/contracting to run a course with a rate of $20/attendee? If so, let me know if you've got any good upcoming courses as if the material is worth a day of my time, the price would be a steal!

Best Wishes,
Peter


On Oct 18, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Vik Venkatraman wrote:

Sorry Joe -

I have to agree with Volkan. I would have been happy to come to your workshop and share it with a bunch of people if it was in the $5-$20 range. $400 seems a bit steep.

vik
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