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Re: [Sacramento-Writers-Who-Mean-Business] Self-Publishing on the Cheap ... Cheap is as Cheap Does

From: Andrea
Sent on: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:08 PM
I apologize for jumping in, but publishing shouldn't be a money pit. There are minimal costs associated with self-publishing, and in traditional publishing, you should never have to pay the publisher anything. The publisher pays you. In my limited experience, this is the way things go.

I love writing, but I also love getting paid for my writing.

Please research your publisher before signing on with them. It's an exhilarating thing to be told someone wants to publish your writing. Because of this, there are a lot of crooks out there who are willing to prey upon a writer's delicate ego...and their pocketbook.

I like the bewares, recommendations, & background checks subforum of absolutewrite:

And Michelle is absolutely right about grammar, editing, and punctuation. Learn the rules. The odd error here or there won't sink you, but people are liable not to take you seriously if your writing is rife with mistakes. Even in email correspondence.

On May 14, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Michelle Gamble-Risley <[address removed]> wrote:

Rick, to a certain extent you are correct. Books like 50 Shades of Grey are loaded with mistakes yet these poorly written books still achieve best-seller status (trust me, best-seller or not it will not go into the canon of classic literature). To make matters worse, it's poorly written and not very interesting to read. The buying public is fickle. In a competitive industry (and most especially if you're trying to get a publisher's attention), an author who submits a poorly edited manuscript has far less of a chance of being published. A great story may help get the publisher to look past some of those errors, but there comes a point where it just can't be ignored. And whether any of us like it or not, reviewers will catch those mistakes and slam the book, which won't help sales. Additionally, weak grammar and punctuation cloud your ability to effectively communicate and be understood. There is a reason rules exist. So extraneous writing with little or no care given to grammar, usage and punctuation make it that much harder for you to effectively communicate with your audience. 

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Rick Conner <[address removed]> wrote:
 I personally failed grammar but read a lot of literature.  Sorry to tell people this but it's the Cover and first paragraph that sells a book, or good advertising!  Just the way it is!  Must appeal to customers imagination and Publisher unless you would like to self publish.  Go for it.  It's a money pit. People but for some that's ok.


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On May 14, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Joe De Souza <[address removed]> wrote:

But writing is also about spelling, grammar, sentence structure, etc., and without a grammarian, proofreader or publisher behind you, no one would read your work no matter how good your story may be.


From: Rick Conner <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14,[masked]:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Sacramento-Writers-Who-Mean-Business] Self-Publishing on the Cheap ... Cheap is as Cheap Does

My Book was just Published. PARITY  I see writing as telling a story that the reader will become part of.  I have always been a story teller.  Writing in three steps.  Why, Who, and finding the right publisher.
Why are you writing? Who will be your audience? Finley what Publisher will serve your needs.  Remember a publisher is more than a printer of our work.  My publisher edited my book no charge.  They formatted it into several Ebook formats.  Put it in Amazon. Now promoting it to Barns and Noble.  So if your like me and just not writing for fun but for also the cash then write for your audience, not yourself.  Just my option.   My website.  My books name is parity.

Rick Conner

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On May 14, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Miha Ahronovitz <[address removed]> wrote:

A good editor is essential to make a writer complete. Agreed. But then, why editors can't write - as a rule - best sellers? Because gifted story tellers and motivators do not care about typos.
Write with no typos is like eating disinfected food..


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Joe De Souza <[address removed]> wrote:
You make excellent points.

Take a look at the last few words of the paragraph entitled "Snow Blind."
The word "not" should be "no" instead.


P.S.  I was a court reporter in my past life and had to "proofread" for a living.

From: Miha Ahronovitz <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14,[masked]:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Sacramento-Writers-Who-Mean-Business] Self-Publishing on the Cheap ... Cheap is as Cheap Does


The fact that your company pays for it, is a good deed.  Here is a quote about MeetUp Mission:

Meetup's mission is to revitalize local community and help people around the world self-organize. Meetup believes that people can change their personal world, or the whole world, by organizing themselves into groups that are powerful enough to make a difference.

I think we can improve this conversation thread, after reading this mission statement.

Miha Ahronovitz

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Michelle Gamble-Risley <[address removed]> wrote:
This Listserv as you refer to it is a Meetup group my company pays for and hosts the meetings for FREE. If you do not want to receive the information, please opt out of our group. The other writers value and appreciate the material and sharing.

Thank you!

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Michael Feliciano <[address removed]> wrote:
Ok - So when did this meetup listserve become a platform for advertising and marketing? Please stop. 

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Bo Bradley <[address removed]> wrote:
Self-Publishing on the Cheap ... Cheap is as Cheap Does by Michelle Gamble-Risley, CEO, 3L Publishing (
I wish I had some before and after photos of self-published books that were republished through my company 3L Publishing. The difference is astounding. Most new and emerging authors don't have the platform or following to get traditionally published. Out of frustration these authors end up trying to self-publish, and because they are not publishers they either try to scrape together an amateur self-published book or they wind up being ripped off at one of the many self-publishers who offer some super cheap K-Mart prices. The results are typically embarrassing and do nothing to generate sales.

Here are reasons why you don't want to self-publish, and you especially don't want to self-publish and buy one of those "super cheap" package offers that look great until you end up with a terrible product.

Typos and errors: What do you get when you work with a "professional" editor who is nothing more than an entry-level English major who is being paid $10 an hour? I will tell you dear friends. A book loaded with grammar and spelling mistakes. The worst part? A book loaded with mistakes on the back cover copy! Ouch! I should know. I, too, was once a $10 an hour entry-level editor being aptly trained under a seasoned editor. Believe me when I say you learn more on the job than in college. Any new editor is likely to miss mistakes.

Snow Blind: It's really hard to find a great proof reader (and $10 an hour isn't going to produce one). I always try to explain to people what proofing and editing is like to help them understand. The scenario goes like this: Take a jar of 100,000 black jellybeans. Empty that jar onto a table. Now please go hunt and find the flawed ones. Doesn't sound so easy does it? It's not easy at all. First, you have to know how to spell (all words). Second, you have to know grammar. Third, you have to have fresh eyes and not go blind (essentially) to the mistakes that later will jump out at you and be so obvious you'll feel like an idiot. It's not that you didn't know the mistake is an error -- it's that you could not longer see it was an error.

Credibility: No matter how you slice this one, self-publishing doesn't give you the necessary credibility with the reviewers. If it's not a bona fide publishing company then it's less likely to receive critical reviews that will catapult sales.

If you would like to work with a publisher and a team to publish your book, contact my company at [masked] or send an email to [address removed]. We will explain to you how our unique and efficient hybrid publishing service will solve these issues. We work with new and emerging authors to make their books dreams come true. For more information, visit

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