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East Orthodox Scholar & A Catholic Priest ' Just Who was the historical Jesus??'

  • Jan 4, 2014 · 6:00 PM
  • The Glebe House

This will be OIC's annual Christmas and Holiday Dinner Party. I have chosen to focus on the Orthodox Christmas which will be on 7 January. Our speakers will be both Eastern Orthodox and  Roman Catholic  scholars who will share their historic understanding of Jesus. Cost is a main dish or a $15 donation. No pork items please. Halal,  kosher and vegetarian should be labeled and are always appreciated. This is fairly casual and whatever you bring will be our meal. People never let us down, and as a general rule the food is amazing. 

Our Main Speakers

Fr Francis Donnelly is our very approachable and respected Roman Catholic speaker. He was born and reared in Galway and Belfast area in Ireland, and came to Canada in 1957(aged 15). He and his family settled in Montreal, alternating work and schooling for years. Father Francis has degrees in Literature(Waterloo), and Medieval Studies(Toronto), Theology(London), and Canon Law( in the Vatican in Rome),   He has served in various priestly ministries including  17 years in Montreal before joining Companions of The Cross in Ottawa in 1996. He has  taught Early medieval Church History, Marriage, and Canon Law. He has also worked in Houston Texas, and the Philippines.. He has been in Ecumenical involvement and short mission trips in Lithuania, Sudan, Ghana, and Peru, and looks forward to your candid questions on the historical Jesus and the his personal story as it relates to the Roman Catholic experience of Jesus. If you google his name you will see that he is a very respected leader in the church.

http://www.companionscross.org/priests/fr-francis-donnelly

http://foolishnesstotheworld.wordpress.com/2012/09/02/in-praise-of-fr-francis-donnelly/

Peter William John-Baptiste, S.F.O. has taught at Dominican University and has focused much of his scholarly study on the root debates in the  founding manuscripts that give us the historical references on Jesus, Paul and the Bible. He is also a respected Eastern Byzantine Christian. Peter is a lighthearted and gifted teacher that will be able to give scholarly insights into the varying roots, traditions and theological convictions of the Eastern Orthodox Churches. He encourages your  questions on the historical Jesus by emailing him ahead of time at: [masked]

Links that explain a bit on how the Bible and the understnading of the historical jesus came into being:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

http://www.focusonthefamily.com/faith/the_study_of_god/how_do_we_know_the_bible_is_true/how_did_we_get_the_bible.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_for_the_historical_Jesus

http://www.gci.org/jesus/historical

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

Here are some links about the two churches and their historical & theological differences;

http://christianity.about.com/od/denominations/a/catholicdenom.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_%E2%80%93_Roman_Catholic_theological_differences

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Orthodox_Church

http://christianity.about.com/od/denominations/a/catholicdenom.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_Canada

http://www.bible.ca/catholic-vs-orthodox.htm

The following article is from a very questionable source and cannot be true because there has been no Vatican Council 3, yet there is usually some grain of  truth in these type of articles;

http://mojidanisa2.com/2013/12/28/all-religions-are-true-adam-and-eve-a-fable-hell-is-a-mere-metaphor-says-pope-francis/

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  • A former member
    A former member

    Hi Tony, Thank You for a splendid, informative evening.
    You and Elena were great hosts. I'm so happy to have met Father Francis. I can relate to this man Tony. And, everything was delicious! Good Food, and treats, Yum,
    Hope to see you's soon again, God Bless. I felt very comfortable and at ease tonight with everyone. Some dynamic people in there !

    Joan

    January 5, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      Hi Mohamed, Thank You for the offer Dear, but, a lady ANDRA was waiting for Me outside in her car, and said she'd drive me home, somewhere she lives around here too..... She's an Angel. Have a great Day Mohamed, and Andra. Truly some for REAL people here with faults and Personality like Me.

      January 5, 2014

    • Med

      Andra told me she could give you a ride but I thought she left. I'm glad to know she did.

      January 5, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    Thanks for Tony & Elena for hosting the event.

    4 · January 5, 2014

    • Nadia

      Jasmine, BTW Curry chicken was good :)

      January 5, 2014

  • Pejman

    Thank you for another great event, great people food and discussions. I liked the analogy that Peter used for describing God's relationship to humanity. Humanity evolving and the education required at different stages of our growth changing as well.
    The Baha'i teachings accepts all of divine educators or manifestations of God. Early child hood educators are as important as school teachers or university teachers, we should have love and respect for all the educators. In the Baha'i teachings we see god as the absolute truth but the truth revealed at different times by Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha or Krishna relative.
    I invite you to read the following paper which sheds some light on the concept of god, son of god, messengers claiming to be god and what it means in light of the Baha'i understanding by Robert H. Stockman who obtained his Master's degree and doctorate in Religious Studies from Harvard University

    http://bahai-library.com/stockman_jesus_bahai_writings

    2 · January 5, 2014

    • Tony Y.

      Pejman... as always THAN KS.

      January 5, 2014

  • Barbara S.

    This was a very interesting and informative evening. Thanks so much to the two speakers and our gracious hosts Tony and Elena.

    3 · January 5, 2014

  • Carmelina

    Such interesting discussions at this event, and it was also a real pleasure meeting very nice people. I look forward to attending future events!
    Thank you Tony and Elena for hosting the event!

    2 · January 5, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    ADAM, Such a pleasure meeting a Gent like YOU ! Such depth in character. I wish I was 20 yrs. younger !!!

    You are so refreshing. Please don't lose this. God Bless You,

    Joan

    January 5, 2014

  • Kaled

    Thank you Tony for this great meet up.

    2 · January 5, 2014

  • Med

    Thanks a lot Tony for another great event and discussion. And thanks to Elena, the speakers and everyone else who contributed. Was nice meeting new people.

    3 · January 5, 2014

  • Nadia

    Thank you for everyone and Special Thanks to Elena and Tony for hosting the event !

    5 · January 4, 2014

  • Suzanne

    Thanks everyone for your valuable and interesting contributions to the discussion. A special thank you to the hosts and volunteers.

    5 · January 4, 2014

  • Janick G.

    I regret but unfortunately i won't be able to make it tonight.

    January 4, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    I will bring curry chicken with potato.

    1 · January 4, 2014

    • Tony Y.

      Jasmine... thanks for keeping to your food from your land. It always makes the potluck buffets delightful. We will have a number of pasta and fruit dishes for those still not sure what to bring. People may also contact me about coming early to help set up. This is an option for students or others on a serious budget. Serious volunteers are not asked to bring anything. :)

      January 4, 2014

  • Tony Y.

    For folks joining us this evening, Please update your RSVP status if you are not coming. If you are planning to come, let us know whether you will be contributing or bringing a main dish or salad by emailing us at [masked] I am very sure this will be a great time, with many interesting perspectives during our discussion period. The British Meetup has also been invited and the numbers are growing, therefore the space will be cozy and tight. Please try to be on time. Plenty of parking on the street, and always take time to reach out and say hello while we set up. :)

    Rough evening schedule;
    6pm arrivals, setup and chit chat
    630pm international potluck buffet
    7pm introduction
    730pm Speakers
    745 Discussions
    After conversation and party

    January 4, 2014

  • Tony Y.

    The following article is from a very questionable source and cannot possibly be true because there has been no Vatican Council 3, yet there is usually some grain of truth in these type of articles. Do we have any insider Roman Catholics that could give us some insights on what is being said here? Regardless, some of these supposed statements from the new Pope, this would reflect a growing number of people's beliefs about God in the world today...

    http://mojidanisa2.com/2013/12/28/all-religions-are-true-adam-and-eve-a-fable-hell-is-a-mere-metaphor-says-pope-francis/

    January 4, 2014

  • Barbara S.

    Now that we know where this event is taking place I wondered if I could get a ride from someone. I live at Prince of Wales and Meadowlands but could also meet at Billing's Bridge Plaza. I have never been to this place before and don't want to be outside in the dark and cold walking around looking for this place. Thanks

    1 · December 31, 2013

    • Tony Y.

      If it is cold I think we could find a way to pick up folks at Billings station as well. Please let me know as it would be easier for us to get everyone at Roast N Brew at 545?

      January 1, 2014

    • Barbara S.

      Thanks Tony but Roast N Brew is fine for me. I can get a second bus at Billings and there is a shelter there to wait inside out of the cold. But I would need a ride to Billings or home after the Meetup is over.

      1 · January 1, 2014

  • Barbara S.

    Happy New Year everyone.
    Tony I will take a bus to the Roast N Brew coffee shop this Saturday. I will make sure I am there for 5:40. Who will be meeting us there?

    1 · January 1, 2014

  • Tony Y.

    Part 2 Secondly we will focus on how the Church evolved and then began separating. Both of our speakers are scholars on these issues, and have much to teach us. As a general rule, the difference between the Protestant Church and the Catholic or Orthodox Churches is based on their view of the Bible' s authority in addition to their church traditions. Protestants focus on the Bible, as where these churches use both the Bible, and Church tradition. These traditions and interpretations can vary, and such is the case with the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches. :)

    January 1, 2014

  • Tony Y.

    Some have asked about general differences among Christians in the world. We will start out this presentation with a brief understanding of how the Bible and records of the historical Gospels came into being? These manuscripts go to the heart of the issue for any objective seeker, and yet there are those who believe these are not conclusive. For example the Muslims, who came up with a different interpretation of Jesus at the time of Mohamed in the 600s. There were in fact numerous writing about Jesus and so the key question is why did the Church fathers choose the Gospels and not the other manuscripts. The conspiracy theories rage to this day.and so we will briefly talk about this. While the focus is why Christians believe this, we welcome those who see things otherwise :)(Part 1)

    January 1, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    ok, Thank You, and by the way
    HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU, AND YOUR FAMILY,

    Joan

    1 · January 1, 2014

  • Tony Y.

    The pick up point will be at Bank Street and Fifth Street inside the Roast N Brew coffee shop. The time everyone who needs a ride should be 540pm. email me personally at [masked] and send your cell tel if possible. :) Thanks

    January 1, 2014

  • Tony Y.

    We have chosen to do the evening in the Glebe House. It is not large but cozy and warm. We feel it is a place where people will better able to connect and chat. If everyone takes time to bring a dish or help us in some way, it promises to be a very special evening. :)

    December 31, 2013

  • Alex

    I will be there if I'm in town

    1 · December 30, 2013

    • Tony Y.

      Alex Not sure if you are from Eastern Europe as your name is very common in places like Russia. Please be aware that I have specifically chosen to make this event near the Orthodox Christmas to honor the Eastern Byzantine traditions, and our OIC members. I have learned much from many interesting and deep folks from these backgrounds, and look forward to their thoughts. This should he a very nice Holiday event. Please note that we are counting on everyone who says they are coming to actually show up, and more importantly folks to bring a good holiday main dish or salad. Elena and I will try to make some Russian pelmeni and possibly borscht. :)

      December 30, 2013

  • Jaime

    The location is important for me to know in order to feel 100% in confirming. I'm hoping it's accessible from a nearby bus route.

    1 · December 30, 2013

    • Tony Y.

      Jaime and others... You can be sure that we will be very close to a bus route... At this point it will be in the Glebe/ Old Ottawa South by Bank Street or downtown near the Byward market. Bear in mind that please email us privately if it is challenging for folks and we will insure a ride from a major pickup locale. [masked]

      1 · December 30, 2013

  • Tony Y.

    Nadia and others.Thanks for getting it. You will note that we have an entire series on faith, and non faith in the coming months. I am always drawn to people who come to events with a genuine idea to learn or even challenge their own biases. That is what this group is about. For example, If you have been very hostile to Catholic Church because you are very Protestant, atheist or perhaps you grew up in Norther Ireland ;) Even a 'recovering Catholics', should consider venting their questions for this event. OIC events are specifically geared to candid discussions with very interesting speakers who can address your harshest concerns or candid criticisms. In my opinion all of the coming events should be attended by as many people as possible. For example,if you are a very devout religious person, it is you more than the other that should attend the event on skeptics. We are also long overdue to focus in the ancient roots and spiritual philosophies of Hinduism and Judaism. All in time.

    1 · November 27, 2013

  • Tony Y.

    Every year around Christmas time, I try to get people to focus on one of the most influential people in history. Jesus of Nazareth. Admittedly, this happens to be where I have focused some of my own academic studies. I lived in Turkey and came to my own personal awakening on the issue of the historic Jesus , who I was convinced was a myth. It is now my deep conviction that he was indeed real, but for any truly objective seeker, many questions still remain. For those who have their own thoughts in this area, by all means bring your scholarly thoughts and questions.

    As for this event, the speakers will be knowledgeable and respected academic priests. While I am neither from the RCC or the EO churches, I have some knowledge of their traditions. Their scholars are to be respected. and I think this will be a very special event. We are extending a special invitation to people from both Christian faiths, as well as the nationalities that represented by them. (Part1)

    1 · November 12, 2013

    • Nadia

      we need more people like you Tony, I really admire your involvement in many issues and organizing events to allow people get aware and more sensitive to some subjects !

      November 26, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I am very interested in attending, depending on its venue.
    I would like answers, if possible to my own Religion, Roman Catholic, and I am curious about other religions as well.

    1 · November 12, 2013

  • Tony Y.

    Part 2
    For those who are attending this event, I want to encourage you to join part 2 of this series in February. I have chosen to do an event for February dedicated to 'Understanding Intellectual Skeptics and combating spiritual hocus pocus and superstition. I have already posted a link their that I would highly encourage people to watch. My goal is if we are going to go down the road of looking at faith and spirituality, that we do it with a critical awareness of our own superstitious tendencies. This is why I always try to seek academics on these issues. Regardless of whatever you believe, we should all be open to listening to varying views. If we are not, I think we are the ones who lose. for us to look at historical facts and not rely upon our reactionary biases, and superstitions.

    November 12, 2013

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