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KANT'S CAVE: Judging Islam (John Holroyd)

On the first Wednesday of every month the PFA meets at "Kant’s Cave" for a lecture, debate and social evening, normally in the upstairs bar of the Exmouth Arms at 1 Starcross Street, London NW1 2HR. The Exmouth Arms is in a quiet residential street about five minutes walk from Warren Street, Euston and Euston Square stations.

The idea of using the function room of a pub for our philosophy meetings is that we would like to combine serious philosophical activity with an informal exchange of ideas and views. We therefore invite everybody to stay on after the lectures for more talk and debate. All lectures start at 7.30 pm; the bar is open from 7.00. There is a £2 door charge for non-PFA members.

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  • Giuseppi Martino B.

    “Leon Russell’s Tight Wire”

    by Giuseppi Martino Buonaiuto

    Up on a tight rope, tonight,
    Are we, Leon?”
    I am out there with you, Brother.
    I am in the weeds with you, Babaloo.
    So, where did you find them?
    Those Shaka Zulu
    Warrior Women?
    “Nola sue tanga,
    Soo galla galla bee.
    Nala secala
    Na saka saka secala,”
    It’s real trance music, Old Timer!
    You really straddled the generations,
    Didn’t you?
    From “Alley Oop” to
    “Stranger in a Strange Land.”
    You are one cool dude, Leon.

    May 2, 2014

  • Nick S.

    I thought John was great - knowledgeable, sincere, honest -, but I also think nobody mentioned what to me is the main point: we are all on the human timeline, but we're not all at the same stage. I read about 11th century Europe recently, and the phrase to describe the time was: "simple piety and violent death". I'm going to have a hard time dialogising (is that right, John?) with those 11th century toughs, because though I might think we can talk our way through our differences, they think I should be chopped into small pieces and fed to the pigs.

    Mind you, I still think dialogising is worth a try; after all, what other options do we have? And I don't mean the timeline observation to be a criticism; I spent years in Mexico, where upper middle class daughters used to paint, play the piano and not be allowed out with a chaperone. About 1815 I thought - Jane Austen's time. But they were nice people and I got on well with them, though I was sorry not to make more headway with the girls.

    November 7, 2013

  • Nick S.

    I too enjoyed the session, and admired John Holroyd's knowledge and conciliatory approach. But.

    No-one talked about my main worry, which is that we are simply at different places on the timeline. There was a time when we in the West fought violently and heatedly over differences of belief, but now we are (mostly) willing to talk about it rather than kill each other. But how can you have a dialogue with people who flatly believe that you are wrong - not for any demonstrable reason, but as an act of faith? We have a few like that among the Christians (think of Westboro Church in the US), but only a few I think, and many non-believers and not-very-fanatical believers.

    So how do people willing to discuss an issue talk to people who believe there is nothing to talk about and all you have to do is accept the truth? It's like one hand clapping. Having said that, I do think it's worth a try - and is the only thing to do. But don't hold your breath. And thanks, John, for the info.

    November 7, 2013

  • Zorro

    I found this one of the most intriguing and thoughtful Kant's Cave of the year (tho' I've missed many) - so much more to consider as well, with many insights that contributed to the discussion. Food for thought indeed, and much that I hadn't known or been that aware of. Excellent evening ..... and the Adnams Bitter was particularly good as well.

    November 7, 2013

  • neela B.

    sorry cant make it tomorrow.

    November 5, 2013

  • Linnea H.

    I would love to attend

    November 4, 2013

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